Simon Brown.

It is not my purpose to force you to agree or believe with what’s on my websites, but rather to share my research. As the record goes: I'm Just a soul whose intentions are good. Oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood. I do not write to share my research because I desire to be rich, famous, or powerful, but because investigating, studying, enquiring exploring, analysing and scrutinising, helps me learn what I don’t know. I simply love seeking, searching and researching, to discover the truth that is so rare, and become full of joy, uncovering the truth of our great GOD, and His Son’s hidden treasures, which has since caused me to become trapped in GOD’s divine love, who cannot turn back. I am Simon Brown. Amen.

Adverts are not owned by me Simon Brown. I am no longer a Trinitarian, and an independent researcher in no denomination.

Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON of God?
1 John 5:5.
NOT GOD OR A TRINITY, but as St john has said: but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON of God? 1 John 5:5.
And as Jesus has said: ETERNAL LIFE is believing His Father GOD is the only ONE TRUE GOD alone. John 17:3. Which is the FIRST commandment one MUST believe. Mark 12:29.

Trinitarians please read Hebrews 5:11-12. About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food.

False Prophets and Teachers

1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 2 Peter 2:

And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD and said: “O LORD, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are THE God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2 Kings 19:15.


Dear friends, just to remind you, as I am a human being, I am capable of making mistakes. If you believe I am wrong, don't let it go, but please be kind and let me know. Thank you.

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21.



Tuesday, 13 March 2018

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.


Most Trinitarians use this verse to support their faith, believing and teaching Jesus is GOD, simply because Jesus said He had glory with GOD before the world was, meaning He was with GOD, BEFORE and when GOD created the world.
Therefore Trinitarians believe Jesus ‘always existed' with GOD and is GOD.
TRUE or FALSE? 

I will present the SIMPLE Biblical facts that will demonstrate Jesus is confirming in John 17:5, His pre-existence with GOD, before creation, and is NOT teaching He eternally existed with GOD and therefore is GOD.

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.


Let’s get this important fact out the way first.
If we ask a Trinitarian to provide a verse teaching Jesus always existed, they will go quite, and start scratching their heads, and if they are being honest, and do not keep taking the scriptures out of context, or use false translations, they will not be able to provide a single verse.

The fact is, if Trinitarians could provide a single verse teaching Jesus always existed with THE GOD, they would prove their faith to be correct and that Jesus is THE GOD or  another true GOD,  and I would be a false teacher and would need to repent fast.
 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
 Matthew 7:7.
If we seek as Jesus said, we certainly do find.
Although not in all cases, but in most cases, there are teachings throughout the Bible that teach the same stories, about the same events, about the same miracles, about the same places, about the same time periods, which confirm with other teachings by GOD, or Jesus, or His prophets, or disciples, elsewhere in the Bible.
Example.
All four Gospels teach Jesus is the Son of GOD. 
All four Gospels teach Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead.
Although the stories are not always told identically in the same way, which adds authenticity, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, all tell us and confirm with each other, how Jesus did countless miracles throughout the Holy Land, and was no ordinary prophet as some claim, but truly, the ‘begotten' Son of GOD.
And we will now see, Jesus Himself, also confirmed in other places within His own teachings precisely what He meant in John 17:5, when He said:
And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.    

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.

We have seen above how Trinitarians say John 17:5 proves Jesus existed from eternity, which would mean He is GOD.

If they are correct, then I am in trouble for teaching against what Jesus taught.

However, fortunately in my case, I have a major advantage above most so-called Christians, because I believe what Jesus taught.

And if MOST of the Christian population also believed what Jesus taught, they would understand what Jesus said, just before Jesus prayed in John 17:5, where Jesus made a mind blowing and explosive statement, that proves MOST so called Christians, are not true Christians, because if they were true Christians, they would simply have believed what Jesus said, prayed and taught, when He prayed: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. John 17:

Did you notice verse 3? And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Right there, Jesus said His Father is THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

As this is the case, and these are the Biblical facts, as we see from the very lips of Jesus, then Jesus Himself has proved MOST wrong, which according to His own words, He declared His Father is the only TRUE GOD, confirming He Himself is NOT GOD, who existed from eternity. 

The answer is given by Jesus.

But what did Jesus mean by saying” And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. 
John 17:5?

Well, I did say in most cases, there are teachings throughout the Bible that teach the same stories, and divine truths.

Just as Jesus Himself tells us in other places exactly what He meant in John 17:5, which can be found in Revelation 3:14.
Revelation 3:14.


And again, Revelation 3:14, lines up perfectly with countless other scriptures saying Jesus was the FIRST BORN, and EXISTED FIRST, and BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED and before the world was created by His Father GOD.
For Quick Reference.


In the beginning was the Word, 
and the Word was WITH THE GOD, 
and the Word was (The BEGOTTEN) God. 
John 1:1. John 1:18.

John 1:2 - 3. John 1:10. John 1:14. John 3:13. John 3:31. John 6:32. John 6:33. John 6:38. John 6:41. John 6:42. John 6:50. John 6:58. John 6:62. John 8:23. John 13:3. John 17:5. John 17:8. John 17:24. Micah 5:2. Proverbs 8:23-32. Hebrews 1:2.  Hebrews 1:6. 1 Corinthians 15:47. Proverbs 30:4.
Just as Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, taught: knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you. 
1 Peter 1:
Notice verse 20: 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world.
What we have is a teaching by Peter, an apostle that also teaches us what Jesus had said in John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.   
 As we have seen, there are NO scriptures teaching us Jesus always existed, but countless scriptures teaching the exact same divine truth. NOT that Jesus is GOD the creator, but that Jesus was WITH His GOD the creator, before ALL creation, because Jesus is: the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For THROUGH him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

My Conclusion.
What did Jesus pray for? 
And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was. John 17:5.

Jesus was praying to His Father, asking Him for the same glory He had before.

What glory before?

The glory of being the FIRST BEGOTTEN Son of GOD, who was the only person at the right hand side of His Father GOD at the beginning and before creation.

Jesus was praying and asking His Father to restore Him back to the same position, and honour, He had as the only begotten Son of GOD, and that He would be back at the right hand side of His Father, as He was with His Father, “before all creation” of the world.
GOD the Father honoured His Son’s prayers, and raised His first BORN Begotten Son from death, to victory, to eternal life, and restored Jesus back on the throne of GOD, where Jesus is now at the right hand side of His ONE TRUE Father GOD, receiving: glory which He had with His Father before the world was. John 17:5.

What an amazing honour to be sitting next to the ONE TRUE Almighty GOD.
Even greater is to be sitting next to BOTH the ONE TRUE GOD, and His FIRST BORN BEGOTTEN Son.


The one who conquers,
 I will grant him to sit with me on my throne,
 as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 
Revelation 3:21.

I am Simon Brown. May GOD bless you for seeking Him. Amen.
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