Did The Early Church In The First 300 Year's Believe In The Trinity?

DID YOU KNOW THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY UNTIL 300 YEARS AFTER CHRIST?  

Catholic image of the Trinity.

In 325, the First Council of Nicaea established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and adopted the Nicene Creed that described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father." Trinity.
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ONE GOD.

Christianity, having emerged from Judaism, is a monotheistic religion. Never in the New Testament does the Trinitarian concept become a "tritheism" (three Gods) nor even two. God is one, and that God is a single being is strongly declared in the Bible:

The Shema of the Hebrew Scriptures: "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one."[Deut 6:4]

The first of the Ten Commandments—"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."[5:7]

And "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."[Isa 44:6]

In the New Testament: "The LORD our God is one."[Mk 12:29]

Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. Rather, according to the Christian theology, it “bears witness to” the activity of: THE GOD.

Today MOST of Christianity worship God in the form of the Trinity, Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God."  

The Shield of the Trinity or Scutum Fidei (Latin for "shield of faith") is a traditional Christian visual symbol which expresses many aspects of the doctrine of the Trinity, summarizing the first part of the Athanasian Creed in a compact diagram. In late medieval Europe, this emblem was considered to be the heraldic arms of God (and of the Trinity).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg

Attribution: AnonMoos / Public domain.

Question? 

WHY do MOST of Christianity worship God in the form of the Trinity today, 
because the early church in the first 300 year's did not believe in the Trinity, and was not official to believe until 300 years after Christ, which must prove GOD, Jesus and the whole Bible did not teach the trinity.

No one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy.  

History of Trinitarian Doctrines.  

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Related articles:

The Rapture - When? And The Pretribulation Rapture -- Truth or Trap?

I Simon Brown have added these very interesting articles with permission by Sir Anthony Buzzard, for you to make up your own mind what is true or false.

The Rapture - When?

By Sir Anthony Buzzard.


We all believe in the "rapture" — the event by which living Christians will be caught up into the air ("raptured") to meet Christ as he descends to the earth at his Coming (1 Thess. 4:13-18). However, in the 1830s a brand new view of the Second Coming arose. It was suggested by some of the Brethren (Plymouth Brethren) that the Second Coming will happen in two distinct stages:

1) Christ will arrive to take away (rapture) the church for seven years.2) Christ will arrive seven years later with the church to punish the world and set up the Kingdom of God on earth.

From the start this new view of the Second Coming caused sharp division. Over the past 150 years it has created a great deal of conflict. The chief exponents of the so-called "pre-tribulation rapture" are the faculty of Dallas Theological Seminary. The teaching has spread into many American fundamentalist churches.
A number of scholars have written books to refute the pre-tribulation rapture which they were taught as children. Since the question has to do with God’s timetable, it is important. We are urged to speak with one mind on these issues (1 Cor. 1:10).
When the pre-trib rapture was introduced into the Brethren movement in England in the nineteenth century, it must not be supposed that all the Brethren accepted the new views. The following extract from the writings of George Muller, the "apostle" of faith and founder of orphanages in England, is significant. Asked shortly before his death whether Christians are to expect our Lord’s return at any moment, or whether certain events must be fulfilled before he comes again, Muller replied as follows:

"I know that on this subject there is great diversity of judgment, and I do not wish to force on other persons the light I have myself. The subject, however, is not new to me; for having been a careful, diligent student of the Bible for fifty years, my mind has long been settled on this point, and I have not the shadow of a doubt about it. The Scriptures declare plainly that the Lord Jesus will not come until the Apostasy shall have taken place and the Man of Sin (the Antichrist) shall have been revealed, as seen in 2Thess. 2:1-5. Many other portions of the word of God distinctly teach that certain events are to be fulfilled before the return of the Lord Jesus Christ" (cited in The Approaching Advent of Christ, by Alexander Reese, Grand Rapids: International Publications, p. 27).

A leading London preacher, Cambell Morgan, the "Dwight Moody" of England, was asked the following question during a course of public lectures:

"After your long study and extensive expositions of the Bible, Dr. Morgan, do you find any warrant for the distinctions which many Bible teachers draw between the second coming of the Lord for his own (The Rapture) and the coming of the Lord with his own (The Revelation), with a time period of three and a half or seven years between these two events?"

"Emphatically not!" Dr. Morgan replied. "I know that view very well, for in earlier years of my ministry I taught it and incorporated it into one of my books entitled God’s Method with Man. But further study so convinced me of the error of this teaching that I actually went to the expense of buying the plates of that book from my own publisher and destroying them. The idea of a separate and secret coming of Christ to remove the church prior to his coming in power and glory is a vagary of prophetic interpretation without any biblical basis whatever" (Background to Dispensationalism, by Clarence Bass, Baker Book House, p. 17, emphasis added).

No student of Scripture need be in any doubt about the order of events described by Paul:

1) The Apostasy (falling away from the faith) (2 Thess. 2:1-3).2) The Man of Sin (Antichrist) revealed (2 Thess. 2:3-4).
3) Christ arrives to gather the church (2 Thess. 2:1, 8).

Contradicting Paul, Dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture theory since 1830 teaches:

1) Christ arrives secretly to gather church.2) Man of Sin is revealed.
3) Christ arrives publicly with the church.

Paul specifically warned against teachers who promised that the Day of the Lord and our gathering together to Jesus would come before the Antichrist and the tribulation (see 2 Thess. 2:1-3). In the interests of a clear understanding of the Bible, the reader is urged to reread Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10:

First the Antichrist and the tribulation (Matt. 24:15-22)After the great tribulation, the arrival of Jesus to gather the saints (Matt. 24:29-31).

Note also: Christians will continue to undergo trouble until the public, spectacular arrival of Jesus to punish the world. Paul could hardly have written 2 Thessalonians 1:7 if he had believed in a prior "coming." In that verse he states that Christians will be granted relief from suffering "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel." Until Christ comes in power to set up the Kingdom of God on earth, believers must endure the hardships which accompany life as a Christian. There is no relief from trouble seven years before the public arrival of Jesus.

The Pretribulation Rapture -- Truth or Trap?

None of us can claim to have escaped all of the many doctrinal traps which Satan lays for the
unwary or uninstructed. The writer was for many years a "sincere" believer in the Trinity, but
prolonged study changed everything. He was also a "sincere" Sabbath-keeper until he realized
that Paul taught otherwise (Col. 2:16, 17).
Many a sincere preacher has been trapped by the remarkable notion, now being widely
canvassed in America, that seven years before Jesus comes to establish the Kingdom of God on
earth, He will arrive silently and secretly to snatch away the faithful to heaven. This event will
leave airplanes pilotless and cause driverless cars to lurch off the highway.
Few know that leading theologians, amongst them leading exponents of pre-millennialism, have
felt the need to write whole books in refutation of the fantastic theory of a second and third
coming of Jesus. George Ladd’s The Blessed Hope, Alexander Reese’s The Approaching Advent
of Christ, and Robert Gundry’s The Church and the Tribulation are classics in the field of
eschatology and should be examined by those seeking the Truth of the Bible.
There is no text in the New Testament to support the idea that Jesus will come back in two stages
separated by seven years. This teaching is unknown in theology before the 1830s, where it was
launched by members of a small denomination called the Brethren, in England. Note carefully,
however, that many leading Brethren disagreed with the new discovery and denounced the
doctrine as unbiblical.
The verdict of Campbell Morgan, a leading London evangelical preacher, is significant. He had
been taught to believe in a double second coming, once for the church and then with the church,
but later examination of the theory changed his mind. A letter published in Christianity Today
(Aug. 31st, 1959) tells the story:
"During a Boston pastorate, I was privileged to attend a course of lectures given by Dr. Morgan
at Gordon College. At the end of one session, I ventured to ask him, ‘After your long study and
extensive exposition of the Bible, Dr. Morgan, do you find any warrant for the distinction which
many Bible teachers draw between the second coming of the Lord for His own (the Rapture) and
the coming of the Lord with His own (the Revelation) with a time period of 3½ or 7 years
between these two events?’
"‘Emphatically not!’ Dr. Morgan replied. ‘I know that view very well, for in the earlier years of
my ministry I taught it and incorporated it in one of my books entitled God’s Method with Man.
But further study so convinced me of the error of this teaching that I actually went to the expense
of buying the plates of that book from my own publisher and destroying them. The idea of a 
separate and secret coming of Christ to remove the church prior to his coming in power and
glory is a vagary of prophetic interpretation without any biblical basis whatever.’"
Preachers of Campbell Morgan’s reputation are not prone to making such forceful statements
unless there is massive evidence for doing so. The convictions of Alexander Reese in The
Approaching Advent of Christ are no less clear. Both men felt the need to speak out against what
they saw as a trick being played with the Bible, by which the resurrection of the dead and their
transformation to immortality along with the living Christians was being moved to a point of
time separate and distinct from the coming of Jesus in glory. Such a radical interference with the
biblical program should not be allowed to gain ground amongst Bible students without a strong
protest.
The carelessness of popular handling of the Bible is shown by the fact that many will quote the
verse in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 about the "thief in the night" almost as if they have never bothered
to look it up in its context. Inspection of the context will reveal immediately that this text says
nothing about a secret coming of Jesus seven years before His public manifestation. The verse
carries in fact the very opposite sense from the one given it by the pre-trib theory: The coming
like a thief is supposed, according to pretribulationism, to affect the Church only and not the
unbelieving world. But let us see what 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 actually says:
"Now brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you for you know very well that
the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. For while people are saying ‘Peace and
safety’ destruction will come upon them suddenly . . . and they will not escape."
The coming of Christ like a thief, Paul says, will take the unbelieving world by surprise. It will
not be a secret event affecting the church only: "But you, brethren, are not in darkness so that
this day should surprise you like a thief" (1 Thess. 5:4).
It is all perfectly straightforward. The thief-like coming will affect the non-Christians adversely
because they will be unprepared. It is almost beyond belief that these simple verses should have
been used to invent a prior event -- a secret coming seven years earlier.
Equally remarkable is the fact that Paul had just previously described the catching up of the
saints to meet Jesus in the sky, an event accompanied by a "loud command, with the voice of the
archangel and the trumpet call of God" (1 Thess. 4:16). It is in connection with this event that
Paul goes on to explain that the world will be overtaken as by a thief. One has only to read the
biblical text as one unit from 1 Thessalonians 4:13 to 5:6 to grasp Paul’s message. One coming
new to the Scriptures has no difficulty understanding it. Tragically, those who should be more
experienced isolate verses to support the two-stage coming.
Pre-tribs are fond of quoting 1 Thessalonians 4:14 as a text to support a prior coming for the
church. The text however says that "God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep."
Jesus, in other words, is seen here coming with the church, having raised the dead and assembled
them with the surviving Christians. 
Pre-tribs have invented the theory which divides the second coming (as well as churches). They
speak of the rapture as an event not to be confused with the Revelation. The latter, they say, is
the public revelation of Jesus, but they expect to be raptured seven years earlier. What they are
waiting for in hopeful anticipation is the rapture, not the revelation. But the New Testament
Church was expecting the Revelation. Once again the theory puts its adherents on a collision
course with the Bible: "Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for the
Revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Cor. 1:7).
The theory proposes that Christians will find relief from the tribulations of this life when Jesus
comes secretly to take away His church seven years before His arrival to punish the world. Paul
taught nothing of the sort. He tells us when the church will be relieved from the tribulation:
"God will give relief to you who are troubled and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord
Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his holy angels, taking vengeance on those
who do not know God. . ." (2 Thess. 1:7, 8).
Just as Paul described the gathering of the faithful and associated this event with the glorious
public arrival of Jesus (2 Thess. 2:1-2) so Jesus also gives us a simple outline of God’s program
for the end of the present age:
"When you see in the holy place the abomination which causes desolation, spoken of through the
prophet Daniel -- let the reader understand -- then let those who are in Judea flee to the
mountains...for then will be great distress unequaled from the beginning of the world until now --
and never to be equaled again...Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be
darkened...and the heavenly bodies will be shaken...At that time the sign of the Son of Man will
appear in the sky and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man
coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory, and He will send His angels with a
loud trumpet call [cp. the Lord will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the
voice of the archangel and the trumpet call of God -- 1 Thess. 4:16] and they will gather his elect
from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other" (Matt. 24:15, 16, 21, 29-31).
Perhaps the most daring of all attempts to divide the Second Coming into two events separated
by seven years is the use of Matthew 24:40: "Then there shall be two men in the field; one will
be taken, one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the
other left."
But when is this? The previous verse (39) explains: it is when the Son of Man comes to a
heedless world just as the flood overwhelmed the unbelieving civilization in Noah’s day. It is
when Jesus comes to punish the world that "one is taken and one left."
The separate "second coming" seven years early is revealed as an illusion. As Campbell Morgan
said: "It is without any biblical basis whatever."
What else have you accepted as truth from the Bible without examining it carefully? The
Scriptures warn us that belief in what is false will lead to our ruin (2 Thess. 2:11). Make Bible
study your first priority. You cannot afford not to. 

Return to Articles by Sir Anthony Buzzard.

WHO can UNDERSTAND or EXPLAIN the TRINITY?

According to the TRINITY faith, GOD is the SON and the Father is NOT the Son.    

As seen in the Catholic TRINITY confession of faith.       

And yet Trinitarian's correctly understand GOD is the SAME person as the Father.      

HOW DELUDED IS THIS, GOD THE FATHER IS BOTH THE SON AND NOT THE SON.      

Think about this?      

If GOD is the SON, and the Father who is the SAME person is NOT the SON as Trinitarian's all believe, that would mean (GOD and the Father) who are ONE and the SAME person, are not ONE and the SAME person but TWO persons, if GOD the Father can be the SON and NOT be the SON.      

Note below according to what the Trinity faith teach:     

First Person GOD.    

Second Person The Father.    

Third Person Jesus.   

Forth Person The Holy Spirit, which all equals a foursome GOD, and not a TRIAD Trinity GOD.      

This would mean the TRINITY faith are not in fact Trinitarian's according to what the Trinity faith actually teach.

We plainly and clearly see how the TRINITY faith is bursting with CONTRADICTIONS, who prove with their own hands how they do not understand what they believe and teach, which explains why Trinitarian's say their faith is a MYSTERY, which IS a MYSTERY only to Trinitarian's because they simply believe in what's not true and what's not taught anywhere in the whole Bible.

Let's PRAY for Trinitarians understanding.      

2 Peter 2  1   

But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be false teachers among you also, who will stealthily introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master having bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow after their sensuality, through whom the way of the truth will be maligned. 3 And through covetousness they will exploit you with fabricated words, for whom the judgment of long ago is not idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

John 8:40 The FALSE Trinitarian Translations, And MORE Biblical Facts Jesus Did NOT PRE-EXIST His Flesh.

Contemporary English Version

Instead, you want to kill me for telling you the truth that God gave me. Abraham never did anything like that.

Good News Translation

All I have ever done is to tell you the truth I heard from God, yet you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like this!

New Living Translation

Instead, you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

The Correct translation can be seen here in the Berean Literal Bible

But now you seek to kill Me, (a man) who has spoken to you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.

Did you notice the words saying (a man) in the correct translation is MISSING from the FALSE translations?

WHY would the translators leave out the  words saying (a man)?

Could the reason be because the translators believe as MOST that GOD is the SON, so therefore are reluctant to believe Jesus saying He was a MAN, who can be killed, when GOD is NOT a MAN or the Son of MAN who can die on the cross as Jesus the MAN did?

God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19.

MORE Biblical Facts Jesus Did NOT PRE-EXIST His Flesh.

Most of Christianity believe Jesus is GOD, and yet we see Jesus did not say He was GOD, but said to the rebellious Jews He was a MAN.

The sincere lovely Jehovah witnesses correctly believe Jesus is NOT GOD, but believe Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh as Michael the Angel, and yet Jesus said nothing about being Michael or an Angel, or did He ever say He was a messenger from God BEFORE He was Begotten from GOD, in the women.

(Jesus) having become by so much superior to the angels, as much as He has inherited a name more excellent beyond theirs. Hebrews 1:4

And Hebrews 1:5 and 1:6 DEFINES the plain and clear difference between GOD's Mighty Angels not being the SAME as GOD's only Begotten Son Jesus, proving Jesus was NOT Michael or an Angel.

For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"? Hebrews 1:5.

The same theme of Jesus being significantly distinguished from GOD's Mighty Angels is repeated again in Hebrews 1:13

Now to which of the angels did He ever say: "Sit at My right hand, until I may place Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet"? Hebrews 1:13.

Also, notice how the Hebrews writer tells us Jesus was BEGOTTEN AFTER the angles by GOD saying: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"?

Today I have begotten You, DEBUNKS and expose's the teachings of Jesus PRE-EXISTING His Flesh.

Just as we also read in Acts 13:33 
that God has fulfilled this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also it has been written in the second psalm: 'You are My Son, (today I have begotten you).'

Hebrews 1:2 also confirms GOD did not talk THROUGH His Son Jesus until Jesus started His ministry after He was BORN.

in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages.

Notice also the correct word at the end of the verse saying AGES, meaning a space of time, an AGE, a time period from when Jesus was preaching, hence, in these last days, and when Jesus was appointed heir of all things, as Jesus tells us in Matthew 28:1, And having come to them, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me.

So please be a Berean Jew and be sure not to believe everything you read, as most Trinitarians believe what they read who do not examine or search for the correct translations and therefore are deceived. 

Therefore when you seek you will find said Jesus Matthew 7:7 and you will be above most Trinitarians and you will do yourself a great favour by overcoming the enemy's deceptions by coming to know the many false Trinitarian translations throughout the Bible, just like the many false translations of Hebrews 1:2 saying WORLDS, or UNIVERSE deceiving millions into believing GOD created the WORLD, or UNIVERSE through Jesus, therefore deceiving millions into believing Jesus was PRE-HUMAN by PRE-EXISTING His flesh, which makes yet again another FALSE CHRIST, and NOT the HUMAN true Christ.

Non Jehovah witnesses:

There are also millions of sincere Christians who are not Jehovah witnesses who also correctly believe Jesus is not GOD, but have still been deceived into believing in the Trinitarian false teaching as MOST of Christianity believe that Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

However as we have just seen the Hebrews writer confirms Jesus was NOT an Angel, and therefore may I please ask, if Jesus  PRE-EXISTED His flesh, WHAT WAS HE?

When was Jesus the (word) of GOD?

MOST Christians believe Jesus was the (word) of GOD in John 1:1, and yet there is NO verse or teaching in the whole of the old testament saying the (word) of GOD was a second person.

We also know the (word) of GOD come's from GOD, which is why John said in John 1:1c: and the (word) was GOD.

GOD's (word) was always GOD’s divine utterance, expressing His thoughts, plan, message, command purpose and will.

And Psalm 33:6 tells us NOTHING about GOD the Father working THROUGH Jesus as a MEDIATOR or Jesus being the (word) of GOD, but INSTEAD tells us the (word) of GOD comes from the breath of GOD's mouth.

By Yahweh's word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth. Psalm 33:6.

Psalm 33:6 alone proves Jesus was NOT the (word) of GOD, but INSTEAD as John 1:14 tells us Jesus BECAME the word of GOD, just as Jesus became the WISDOM of GOD.

I was one of most DECEIVED into believing that Jesus was the word in John 1:1 and therefore Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

However, I came to the understanding of how John 1:1, 2 and 3 are again FALSE Trinitarian translations, so I thank GOD for sending me a true Bible Scholar Sir Antony Buzzard who I debated nearly everyday for 2 years, who I would not believe, and I was embarrassingly teaching Sir Antony was a false teacher, but I now know He was teaching the truth.

And thanks to countless debates I had with many unitarians, and the thousands of comments I received on my old popular you tube channel now deleted, I was able to eventually after 2 years of being presented with the Biblical facts finally come to the side of truth, putting my hands in the air and repenting and admitting I was wrong, therefore swallowing my PRIDE.

Now I now know Jesus is not in John 1:1, and being WITH GOD in the beginning, so may I ask, where was Jesus in the beginning? 

The simple answer is in 1 Peter 1:20

having been foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but having been revealed in the last times for the sake of you,

Notice how Jesus was foreknown by being in the Bible prophecies who was predicted and foretold, but was NOT yet EXISTING, but where we are told a GREAT saviour and Messiah would be BORN as a MAN, who would save us from our sins, because Jesus was in GODS mind, purpose and plan as precedence, to become the Lamb of GOD, therefore THROUGH Jesus GOD would wonderfully reverse the death penalty on all who take up their cross and follow the true Jesus and forever be saved.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

Romans 6:23.

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. 

John 3:16.

Proverbs 8:1

Doesn't wisdom cry out? Doesn't understanding raise (her) voice? 

Many believe Proverbs 8:22 onward's is about Jesus especially the Jehovah Witnesses, and yet WISDOM is depicted as a SHE, and a FEMALE, yet Jesus is a MALE and not a SHE.

We also see in 1 Corinthians 1:30 how Jesus was made unto us wisdom from God, and not that Jesus was already the wisdom from God.

But out of Him, you are in Christ Jesus, who has been made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

In fact many translations say Jesus BECAME to us wisdom from God, again NOT that Jesus was always the  wisdom from God, as we would expect to read if Jesus was pre-existing as GOD's MEDIATOR in heaven before He was BORN.

English Standard Version

And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

Most Christians especially the Jehovah witnesses believe Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus being with GOD before all creation: then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, always rejoicing before him.

Not understand by believing Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus they are CONTRADICTING what GOD Himself said that He ALONE, BY HIMSELF created all things and never says anything about Jesus being WITH HIM by His side as we read in Isaiah 44:24 which on its own proves Jesus was NOT WITH GOD before all creation:

Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: "I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself. 

World English Bible.

Isaiah 37:16

Please see my next coming detailed article on Proverbs 8.

Notice how Jesus did not say anything about being a PRE HUMAN, or did not say anything about being a SPIRIT: But now you seek to kill Me, (a man) who has spoken to you the truth that I heard from God. John 8:40.

It seems clear how MOST of Christianity believe what Jesus never ever said or never taught, when He only ever said and only ever taught He was ALWAYS a MAN, who came from GOD, who was FIRST BORN in a women, and given LIFE by His Father: For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He gave to the Son to have life in Himself. John 5:26.

INSTEAD most believe Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh as GOD or as Michael or as an Angel, or as some kind of pre-existing Spirit, which Jesus never ever said nothing about.

Berean Literal Bible

because He set a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness by a man whom He appointed, having provided a guarantee to all, having raised Him out from the dead."

 Acts 17:31.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 

1 Timothy 2:5.

Notice how we do NOT read in 1 Timothy 2:5,

For there is one God, the man Christ Jesus, (WHO IS GOD and who is THREE)?

If Jesus is already GOD, why then do we need to go THROUGH Jesus to get to GOD?

As we read in Acts 17:31 and 1 Timothy 2:5 saying and confirming with what Jesus ONLY ever said that He was a MAN, and nothing about Jesus being GOD, or Jesus PRE-EXISTING His flesh, or Jesus being Michael or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit.

For most of Christianity who believe Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh, may I please ask a serious question?

We know Jesus was the second Adam, the perfect Adam, and the last MAN Adam, and as we all know Adam did NOT PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

We also know Adam was created from the dust of the earth by GOD.

Genesis 2:7

Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 

We also know Jesus is one of a kind, who was not created from the dust and had no HUMAN Father, but instead came from GOD which is why Jesus said He was GOD's Son John 10:30, but was still BORN in a women making Him a HUMAN.

John 16:28 

I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father."

And He was saying to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 

John 8:23.

The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second man from heaven. 

1 Corinthians 15:47.

If Jesus was a MAN who came down from heaven

How could Jesus a MAN with flesh and blood live in heaven?

The answer is because Paul as well as Jesus was speaking in allegories:
I have spoken these things to you in allegories; an hour is coming when I will speak to you no more in allegories, but I will report to you plainly concerning the Father. John 16:25

His disciples say, "Behold, now You speak in openness, and You do not speak allegory. 

John 16:29

Jesus even confirms to Pilate He was BORN:

John 18:37

Therefore Pilate said to Him, "Then You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this I have been (born), and for this I have come into the world, that I may bear witness to the truth. Everyone being of the truth hears My voice."

Notice how there is NOTHING by Jesus saying to Pilate He PRE- EXISTED, or was created BEFORE He was BORN as a MAN.

But we clearly see instead how Jesus confirms to Pilate how He was BORN, which confirms with what John told us in John 1:14, that Jesus was BORN as FLESH who BECAME the living, walking, physical (word) of GOD: 

And the Child continued to grow and become strong, being filled with wisdom. And the grace of God was upon Him.

 Luke 2:40

And Jesus continued to advance in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

 Luke 2:52

Notice HOW Jesus: advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God, when if Jesus was already WITH GOD before all creation or was GOD or a PRE- EXISTING being, Jesus would already HAVE ALL wisdom and stature and would NOT have to advance in wisdom and stature, think about that?

Please think about this?

If Jesus PRE-EXISTED BEFORE Adam, then Jesus would NOT be the second MAN Adam, therefore creating Bible contradictions:
The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:47.

If Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh, and was GOD, or was Michael, or was an Angel, or was some kind of Spirit, that would simply mean Jesus was NOT just like the first MAN Adam, if Jesus PRE-EXISTED BEFORE Adam, because a PRE-EXISTING being, would NOT be a MAN just like the first MAN Adam.

When we correctly understand the word of GOD, we correctly understand how there are NO such teachings saying Jesus was alive WITH GOD before all creation, or that Jesus was sent into Mary's womb to be CHANGED from a PRE-EXISTING BEING, into a baby.

For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"? 

Hebrews 1:5 

The PRE-EXISTING Jesus which most of Christianity believe in, is yet again another GREAT fabricated story inspired by false teachers not believing and understanding the true (word) of GOD, who think GOD magically transformed a PRE-EXISTING Jesus, into the second Adam, who would NOT be the second Adam if He PRE-EXISTED before Adam.

Because of those who believe Jesus is GOD manifested in the flesh, correctly understand if Jesus did not  PRE-EXIST His flesh, they therefore know Jesus could not possibly be GOD, which destroys the foundations of their own faith.

Instead, most of Christianity are not understanding the true magical part, in that GOD Almighty magically begot, and gave life to the only MAN ever without a HUMAN Father, proving GOD truly was the literal Father of Jesus, and who would be tempted more then all MEN, and who proved to be the only perfect MAN to overcome, who was GOD's beloved Only Begotten Son and chosen servant, and the prophesied Messiah who became the living, walking (word) of the Almighty One True GOD:

"Behold My servant, whom I have chosen, My beloved, in whom My soul has found delight. I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will proclaim justice to the Gentiles. 

Matthew 12:18 

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, whom I have chosen; listen to Him!" 

Luke 9:35.

We end with Jesus as: The Son of Man.

And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

John 5:27.

The Son of Man, is a direct reference to Jesus HUMAN side, as coming from the first MAN ADAM.

When Jesus said so many times He was (the Son of Man), Jesus was confirming His humanity as a MAN, hence, coming from the first human.

My research proves Jesus was continually making a distinction between Himself as being a HUMAN BEING, and NOT a pre existing being, or GOD.

Let all that be on your mind if you are one of MOST who believes Jesus was GOD, or that Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

God bless.

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