John 6:38. How Did Jesus COME DOWN From Heaven If He Did NOT PRE-EXIST His flesh?

And the great dragon was thrown out, the ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan,

deceiving the whole inhabited world. 

He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 
Revelation 12:9

I believe the belief and teaching that GOD is THREE called the TRINITY, 

and the teaching that Jesus is the same GOD He was begotten from, is the GREATEST DECEPTION created by the enemy within Christianity.

My understanding for believing this, is because the TRINITY breaks the first and greatest commandments in Deuteronomy 6:4, and Mark 12:29, teaching we must believe GOD is ONE PERSON and never three called the Catholic Trinity, which has an identical concept of the TRINITY pagan gods.

Although Sir Isaac Newton got things wrong, it seems he certainly understood the TRINITY was a great deception by the Catholic church.

And the countless false Trinitarian Bible translations that can easily be seen by the own hands of the Trinitarian translators confirms with what Sir Isaac Newton said and believed saying the Scriptures had been altered and early Christian writers had been misquoted to make it appear that Trinitarianism had been the original faith.”

God tells us countless times He is GOD ALONE, and that there is NONE LIKE HIM, meaning there is NO one else who is a TRUE SINGLE GOD.

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; [I am] God, and there is none like me; World English Bible

He said, "Tomorrow." He said, "Be it according to your word, that you may know that there is none like Yahweh our God. Exodus 8:10 World English Bible

There is none like you, Yahweh; you are great, and your name is great in might. Jeremiah 10:6 World English Bible

For you are great, and do wondrous things. You are God alone. Psalm 86:10 World English Bible

As we see Yahweh GOD and the word of GOD saying: there is NONE LIKE HIM, and that Yahweh is GOD and GOD ALONE.

However MOST of Christianity have adopted the MAIN foundations of the Catholic TRINITY faith, which CONTRADICTS the word of GOD, because in the pagan TRINITY Gods we see the same concept as the TRINITY faith today, CONTRADICTING GODS word saying there is NONE LIKE HIM who is a SINGLE GOD and a SINGLE BEING and GOD ALONE, who is not three like the pagan trinity gods.

Sadly again most of Christianity have misunderstood what Jesus meant by saying: I and the Father are one in John 10:30.

When Jesus simply meant He and His Father are one in unity and agreement, just as Jesus prayed for His disciples saying: Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. John 17:11.

Jesus never said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE (GOD). But instead said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.

In my understanding I also believe when we believe the Begotten SON of GOD is the same GOD He was Begotten from, DENIES the literal Father and SON.

And He was questioning them, "But whom do you pronounce Me to be?" Peter answering, says to Him, “You are the Christ.” Mark 8:29.   

Notice how Simon Peter understood how Jesus is the Christ, the Son of GOD, and NO mention of Jesus being GOD.

13 And Jesus having come into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was questioning His disciples saying, “Whom do men pronounce the Son of Man to be?” 14 And they said, “Some indeed, John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He says to them, “But whom do you pronounce Me to be?” 16 And Simon Peter answering said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answering, said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona! For flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in the heavens. Matthew 16:

Notice how Jesus praised Simon Peter for understanding that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 
Jesus words praising Simon Peter proves the importance of how we MUST understand precisely who Jesus is and that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God.”  

The Greek word for Christ is Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ and means Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ, and never, ever means I am GOD.

After many years of being deceived myself, I now believe the belief and teaching that Jesus PRE-Existed His flesh, is the second GREATEST DECEPTION within Christianity.

My understanding for believing this is because if Jesus PRE-Existed His flesh, then He would not be the second Adam, just as Adam was a MAN, who did not pre-exist His flesh, Jesus would have to be identical to the first perfect MAN Adam, except that Adam fell, but that Jesus did not fall and instead overcame, and became the perfect Adam, which would not be possible if Jesus were GOD, or a pre-existing being.

And therefore a PRE-Existing Christ, is not the true Christ who could not be a MAN, who would not be the second Adam, and instead creates and deceives us into believing in one of many FALSE Christ’s.

No one can get to the ONE TRUE GOD, unless we go THROUGH the ONE TRUE CHRIST.

John 6:38.

One of the main reasons why MOST of Christianity believe and teach Jesus PRE-Existed His flesh, is because of Jesus saying He CAME DOWN From Heaven:

John 6:38

For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

In this coming article and video, I will bring out the Biblical facts to WHY Jesus said: He CAME DOWN from Heaven, and to what Jesus meant by saying: I am the living bread, having come down from heaven.

I will provide the Biblical facts that prove again how very sadly MOST of Christianity have become confused and deceived by what Jesus said and meant saying: For I have come down from heaven John 6:38.

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  Bible translations by Berean Literal Bible unless otherwise stated.

There are five scriptures that are causing an enormous confusion and deception within most of the Christian population.

Lets have a look.

 John 3:13
And no one has gone up into heaven except the One having come down out of heaven, the Son of Man.

John 3:31
The One coming from above is above all.
 The one being from the earth is from the earth, and speaks from the earth. 
The One coming from heaven is above all. 
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, 
not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

John 8:23
And He was saying to them, 
"You are from below; I am from above.
 You are of this world; I am not of this world.

We also read in John 6:42 how some of Jesus audience confirmed with what Jesus said.

John 6:42
And they were saying, "Is this not Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then does He say,
 ‘I have come down from heaven?’”

As we have seen Jesus said He CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, including some of His audience who also confirmed with what Jesus said who were also confused, understanding how could Jesus: COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, when they had known that Jesus was BORN from the son of Joseph, whose father and mother they know.

So what did Jesus mean by saying: I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, that caused people in His audience to be confused including MOST of Christianity today?

Did Jesus mean what most of Christianity say, believe and teach, that Jesus was EXISTING and alive with GOD before He was BORN from Mary?

Before we see the simple answers, we need to go back in time to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:18.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ came about in this way: His mother Mary, having been pledged to Joseph, before their coming together, was found holding in womb through the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18.

As we have seen so far, Matthew tells us how the birth of Jesus Christ came about.

So far Matthew tells us nothing about Jesus physically COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN, to reincarnate and undergo rebirth in another body, and be reborn in another body:

Or that Jesus was being BORN a second time, or that Jesus was EXISTING and alive with GOD before COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

We now move onto Luke 1 where Gabriel Foretells Jesus’ Birth, and discover precisely how Jesus was BORN.

26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee whose name was Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And having come to her, he said, “Greetings, you favored with grace! The Lord is with you.”

29 And she was troubled at the statement and was pondering what kind this salutation might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Fear not, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in womb, and will bring forth a son, and you shall call His name Jesus. 

Notice how Gabriel tells Mary: 31 And behold, you will conceive in womb, and will bring forth a son.

I have to ask:

If Jesus were GOD, how could GOD be a MAN, or GOD be the Son of Man, or GOD be the Son of Mary, or GOD be the Son of GOD, if the SON were already GOD?

I have never seen a scripture saying how GOD DIVIDED Himself into THREE PERSONS.

Just as I have never seen a scripture saying or teaching GOD IS THREE PERSONS.

Just as I have never seen a scripture saying or teaching that GOD or the Father is the Son.

If we say and teach GOD IS THREE PERSONS, or that GOD and the Father is the Son, then it is common-sense we are saying and teaching what is NOT TAUGHT ANYWHERE in the whole Bible, which seems to be the case with most of Christianity.

We all know nothing is impossible with GOD.

Just as GOD changed Lots wife into a pillar of salt.

However, as MOST MADLY SAY, GOD changed Himself into a MAN simply contradicts the word of GOD, which says: God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Numbers 23:19.

Are we to believe what most madly believe that GOD or an Angel came down from heaven and was reincarnated to be reborn in another body and CHANGED from being GOD ALMIGHTY, or from a MIGHTY ANGEL, to become the Son of Mary?

We continue to read:

32 He will be great, and He will be called Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob to the ages. And of His kingdom there will be no end!”

Question, Who is the Most High?

The answer is in Psalm:

We read David saying Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel is the Most High.

Gabriel said Jesus will be called the Son of the Most High.

We do NOT read the Son is the Most High, as would be the case if Jesus were the same ONE TRUE GOD, as most believe.

I again have to ask if Jesus is the same ONE TRUE GOD of Israel as MOST of Christianity say believe and teach, HOW then is the same ONE TRUE GOD of Israel, the Son of Himself?

Gabriel said: 

And the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. Luke 1:32.

But most of Christianity say, believe and teach Jesus is the same ONE TRUE GOD, which would mean the Lord God will give (HIMSELF) the throne of David.

We continue to read:

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I do not know a man?”

35 And the angel answering, said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore also the Holy One being born will be called the Son of God. 

Notice how we read:  “The Holy Spirit is the power of the Most High Yahweh GOD, which destroys the TRINITY doctrine that The Holy Spirit is a SEPARATE PERSON.

Therefore also the Holy One being born will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:35

We also read Gabriel saying how Jesus will be A NEWLY BORN BABY, who will be called the Son of God. 

Notice how there is NOTHING by Luke saying Jesus already EXISTED and would COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN and enter into the womb of Mary and would be transformed into A NEWLY BORN BABY.

In fact Luke clearly tells us how Jesus will be BORN which is by the power and Spirit of the Most High GOD.

And we read GOD the Most High Himself, CAME DOWN by the power of His Spirit and overshadowed Mary and caused Mary to conceive in her womb, and bring forth a son.

As Mathew and Luke make this very clear how Jesus was first brought into existence by the power and Spirit of GOD the Most High who conceived Jesus in the womb of Mary.

We now therefore have Mathew and Luke contradicting what Jesus said by saying: For I have come down from heaven, John 6:38.

That is, if Jesus meant He literally CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

But if Jesus meant He literally CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, then why did Luke NOT say what Jesus had said, that JESUS CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN by the power of GODS Spirit and overshadowed Mary and caused Mary to conceive in her womb, and be TRANSFORMED into a HUMAN BABY, bringing forth a son?

BOTH accounts of Jesus birth in Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:31-35 makes this very clear how Jesus was a NEWLY BORN BABY, who would be called the Son of God, and was BORN by a miracle of GOD the Most High Himself, who CAME DOWN by the power of His Spirit and overshadowed Mary and caused Mary to conceive in her womb, and bring forth the Son of GOD called Jesus.

Notice how Luke tells us Jesus: will be called the Son of God.  

There is NOTHING by Luke saying Jesus was already the Son of GOD, which would simply be the case If Jesus PRE-EXISTED in Heaven who should ALREADY be the Son of GOD, as taught by most of Certainty.  

If Jesus already PRE-EXISTED His flesh in HEAVEN, and CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, then surely Luke would be instead saying: therefore also the Holy One being born (HAS COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN) who (IS) called the Son of God. 

In BOTH accounts of Jesus birth in Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:31-35 there is absolutely NOTHING what so ever saying JESUS CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN and was conceived in the womb of Mary and was TRANSFORMED from being GOD or from being an angel into the BABY Jesus.

There is NOTHING in Mathew or Luke saying how GOD brought DOWN FROM HEAVEN His Son Jesus to be TRANSFORMED and be RE-BORN as a MAN.  

Just as there is NOTHING by GOD saying He would be TRANSFORMED into a MAN in the womb of Mary and Mary would be GODS mother.

Just as there is NOTHING by Jesus saying GOD brought Him DOWN FROM HEAVEN to be TRANSFORMED and be RE-BORN as a MAN.

WHERE did Jesus say I AM GOD, OR I WAS AN ANGEL OF THE LORD?


Why do most of christianity say, believe and teach they believe what jesus taught, when Jesus never ever said or taught, he was GOD almighty, or that he was an angel of the lord?

Why cant all of Christianity simply believe the most simple teaching in the whole bible when Jesus said:

I am the Son of GOD John 10:36?

Why cant most of Christianity understand what is so simple to understand, that if we say and believe Jesus is the same GOD He was Begotten from, we then DENY Jesus as the Christ and the Son of His GOD, which also DENIES GOD as the Father.
Who is the liar, except the one denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son.  1 John 2:22.

The Greek word for Christ is Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ and means Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ, and never, ever means I am GOD, but instead believing Christ is GOD, DENIES Jesus as the Christ and the Son of GOD.

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and which is already in the world at this time. 1 John 4:3. Berean Study Bible.

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John 6:38

For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

So WHY did Jesus say many times: I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, when that would CONTRADICT Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:31-35, who both say Jesus came into EXISTENCE in the womb of Mary by the power of GOD?

The simple answer is because Jesus often spoke in Parables and allegories to contain hidden secrets.

In fact the Holy Bible is full of allegories, symbolic meanings, and figurative expressions, revealing hidden meanings.

Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! 

Matthew 11:15.

In fact Jesus said in John 16:25

I have spoken these things to you in allegories; an hour is coming when I will speak to you no more in allegories, but I will report to you plainly concerning the Father.

Allegories and figurative expressions are not often literal.

Example:

Modern boat owners often call their boats a SHE.

However, we know a boat is not a female person.

We notice in John 16:29-30, His disciples say, “ behold, now You speak in openness, and You do not speak allegory.

Now we know that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should ask You. In this we believe that You came forth from God.”

Notice how the disciples confirm Jesus came from GOD, and did not say CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN from GOD, because as they confirmed  they now understood that Jesus was speaking in allegories: His disciples say, “ behold, now You speak in openness, and You do not speak allegory.

A perfect example of Jesus speaking in allegories is in John 6:

53 Therefore Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you shall have eaten the flesh of the Son of Man, and shall have drunk His blood, you do not have life in yourselves. 54 The one eating My flesh and drinking My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 The one eating My flesh and drinking My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one feeding on Me, he also will live because of Me. 

58 This is the bread having come down from heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. The one eating this bread will live to the age.”

Are we to believe Jesus was teaching CANNIBALISM?

Of course not.

Jesus was talking in allegories.

Notice in John 6:58 

This is the bread HAVING COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not as the fathers ate and died. The one eating this bread will live to the age.”

Jesus saying in John 6:58

This is the bread HAVING COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, is IDENTICAL to what and when Jesus said For I have come down from heaven, as in John 6:38.

And yet we know Jesus was NOT LITERAL BREAD, that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

Just as Jesus was NOT teaching CANNIBALISM.

But that Jesus was talking in allegories.


Another good example that proves Jesus was speaking in allegories is seen in John 3:13

And no one has gone up into heaven except the One having come down out of heaven, the Son of Man.


Notice Jesus says: the Son of Man.

Most people understand how Jesus was NOT a MAN in heaven, when only spiritual beings can live in heaven.

And when Jesus often called Himself (the Son of MAN) so many times, He was simply confirming His humanity as a HUMAN BEING, confirming He was not GOD or a spiritual being who CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

SO what did Jesus mean by saying many times: 

I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, 

The SIMPLE answer to what Jesus meant by saying: I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, is in the verses below:

knowing that the Father has given Him all things into the hands, and that He came forth from God and He is going to God, John 13:3

I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father.” John 16:28

Notice how Jesus said: I came forth from the Father.

Now please notice where the Father is according to what Jesus told us in Matthew 6:9:

Therefore pray you like this: ‘Our Father in the heavens, hallowed be Your name!

We read Jesus saying: ‘Our Father in the heavens.

And in verses like John 13:3 and John 16:28 we read: that Jesus came forth from God.

And as Jesus said His Father is in the HEAVENS, that simply concludes why Jesus said in verses like John 6:38,

For I have come down from heaven.

Proving Jesus was talking in allegories.

The Biblical facts prove how Jesus certainly DID NOT mean He literally CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ALIVE as a person before He was BORN.

I also believe Jesus could have meant He CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, as HEAVEN is often referred to as the KINGDOM OF GOD.

So Jesus was BORN as a MAN and sent from GOD, and coming DOWN from the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in HEAVEN, from the Most High GOD.

And that He came forth from God and He is going to God, John 13:3

I leave the world and go to the Father.” John 16:28

Notice how Jesus DID NOT say in John 13:3 and John 16:28 how He was going BACK or RETURNING to GOD as we would expect Him to say if it were true that Jesus PRE-EXISTED WITH GOD.

We finally come to what James 1:17 tells us:

Every good act of giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of shifting.

And that’s why Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, because  every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights.

John 8:23

And He was saying to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 

Jesus was making an important point, that He was NOT made from the DUST of the earth, as was the first MAN ADAM, but literally CAME FROM GOD who is from above.

By the power of GOD, Jesus was BORN from GOD in a women, therefore becoming a MAN, making Jesus the Only Begotten Son.

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. 

John 3:16.

John 8:24 When we believe GOD is the SON we simply DENY the Father and the SON, and Jesus as the SON of GOD.

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