HEBREWS 1:1 and 1:2 PROVES JESUS DID NOT PRE-EXIST HIS FLESH.

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MOST of Christianity say and believe Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, in the Old Testament.  

This is simply because MOST of Christianity say and believe Jesus is the (word) of GOD in John 1:1.  

However, there are some serious and demanding questions, and reasons that refute and demolish what MOST believe that Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR in the Old Testament.  

If Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, in the Old Testament, as MOST of Christianity say and believe, WHERE and WHEN did GOD talk and communicate by and THROUGH His SON?  

If Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, in the Old Testament, WHERE and WHEN did Jesus talk and communicate to ANYONE in the Old Testament?  

If Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, in the Old Testament, WHERE and WHEN did GOD and Jesus communicate with each other in the Old Testament?  

If Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, WHERE and when did ANYONE communicate WITH Jesus in the Old Testament?  

If Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR, then WHERE are we told Jesus was the (word) of GOD and that the (word) of GOD was a second person in the Old Testament?  

We can answer these simple and important questions by simply looking in the Old Testament.  

By looking in the Old Testament we can SEE if it is possible to find a SINGLE verse where we read GOD is talking to His SON and asking His SON to talk and communicate to His Prophets or people.

By looking in the Old Testament we can also see if it is possible to find a SINGLE verse where we read that Jesus is the word of GOD in the Old Testament and is talking for GOD as the word of GOD to the Angels and Prophets. 

Lets start by going right back to the beginning of GODS creation and see WHO was talking to the first MAN Adam and Eve.

Notice what we read in Genesis 3:8 

They heard the voice of Yahweh God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Yahweh God among the trees of the garden. 9 Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”   

We clearly see and read that Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel communicated Himself, DIRECTLY with the first MAN Adam by saying: Yahweh God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”   

WHO spoke to Moses?  

The answer is in Numbers 12:2 World English Bible 

The Murmuring of Miriam and Aaron 

1 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman. 2 They said, “Has Yahweh indeed spoken only with Moses? Hasn't he spoken also with us?" And Yahweh heard it. 3 Now the man Moses was very humble, above all the men who were on the surface of the earth. 4 Yahweh spoke suddenly to Moses, to Aaron, and to Miriam, “You three come out to the Tent of Meeting!" The three of them came out. 5 Yahweh came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the Tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forward. 6 He said, “Hear now my words. If there is a prophet among you, I Yahweh will make myself known to him in a vision. I will speak with him in a dream. 7 My servant Moses is not so. He is faithful in all my house. 8 With him I will speak mouth to mouth, even plainly, and not in riddles; and he shall see Yahweh’s form. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?”   

So we read Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel communicated DIRECTLY Himself to Moses mouth to mouth, as we read in Numbers 12:8.   

WHO spoke to people in Visions and Dreams? 

The answer is in one of many verses like Numbers 12:6 saying:

Yahweh will make myself known to him in a vision. I will speak with him in a dream. 

As we have again read in verse 6 how Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel confirms how He talks DIRECTLY Himself by visions, and dreams.  

WHO spoke to people THROUGH Angels? 

The answer is in one of many verses like Exodus 3.2 saying: 

World English Bible 

The angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Exodus 3:4 When Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the midst of the bush, and said, “ Moses! Moses!" He said, “ here I am." Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, “I  am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look at God. 

As we see again, the one speaking to people THROUGH Angels was Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel who communicated DIRECTLY THROUGH His Angels to His prophet Moses.  

I am hoping by now, you can see what I am trying to establish and demonstrate.  

If not lets have a quick recap.  

We have seen by just some of many scriptures in the Old Testament how the person who speaks in many ways, is ALWAYS Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel.  

As we have seen Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel ALWAYS speaks DIRECTLY Himself in many ways by and THROUGH His Angels, or THROUGH Visions and Dreams, or DIRECTLY Himself as He did to Adam, or DIRECTLY Himself as He did mouth to mouth with Moses.  

Conclusion:  

John 1:1 and Genesis 1:1.

John 1:1’s famous opening statement, starts as we all know with John saying: In the beginning.   

Most of Christianity actually agree on something, that is, when John said: In the beginning, John was referring to the (beginning) of the Old Testament, and the (beginning) of GODS creation in Genesis 1:1 saying: In the beginning.  

And as Moses goes on to tell us in Genesis 1:1: (God) created the heavens and the earth, actually proves John 1:1 was referring to the (word) of Yahweh, the one true GOD of Israel ALONE, and NOT a second person.  

John 1:1a is telling us: In the beginning, (of creation), as in Genesis 1:1 saying: In the beginning.  

John 1:1b and c and the word was with God, and the word was God. 

John 1:1b and c is telling us that the (word) of GOD in NOT a second person, but is the spoken commands of Yahweh, the one true GOD, which is simply why John said:  the word was with God, and the word was God. 

John 1:2 (Οὗτος This) was in the beginning with God, meaning God's PLAN and commands, was in the beginning with God, Psalm 33:6 By Yahweh’s word, (voice and commands), the heavens were made; all their army by the breath (the spirit) of his mouth. NOT a separate Holy Spirit person, BUT the breath (the spirit, POWER) of his mouth. 
Psalm 33:9 For he spoke, and it was done. He commanded, and it stood firm.  

John 1:3 All things came into being through it, (God’s PLAN, creation and purpose) and without it (God’s PLAN, creation and purpose) not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

We have clearly seen what is clearly taught in the Old Testament, that Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel is the person ALONE who ALWAYS communicates with people, in many ways.  

But what is clearly NOT seen or read or do we find ANYWHERE in the Old Testament?  

I myself CANNOT see or read or find ANYWHERE in the Old Testament what MOST of Christianity say believe and teach that GOD spoke BY and THROUGH His SON Jesus.  

I myself CANNOT see or read or find ANYWHERE in the Old Testament a SINGLE word by Jesus saying He EXISTED  and spoke for GOD to the Angels and Prophets.  

I myself CANNOT see or read or find ANYWHERE in the New Testament a SINGLE word by Jesus saying He spoke for GOD in the Old Testament to the Angels and Prophets. 

I myself CANNOT see or read or find ANYWHERE in the Old Testament a SINGLE word by GOD or Jesus saying they COMMUNICATED with each other.  

I myself CANNOT see or read or find ANYWHERE in the Old Testament what MOST of Christianity say believe and teach that the (word) of GOD is a second person called Jesus Christ.  

I am just an ordinary man off the street, so if you know a SINGLE verse in the Old Testament saying or teaching GOD spoke BY and THROUGH His SON Jesus, or anywhere Jesus saying He spoke for GOD to the Angels and Prophets, or a verse saying GOD and Jesus spoke to each other, in the Old Testament, please be kind and send me that verse, as I am always learning.

In fact all I can see and read and find in the Old Testament, is the OPPOSITE to what  MOST of Christianity say believe and teach, who say the (word) of GOD in the Old Testament, is a second person called Jesus Christ.  

If the (word) of GOD is a second person called Jesus Christ in the Old Testament, then WHY did GOD say in Psalm 33:6:  By Yahweh’s word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth. World English Bible.

We clearly see in Psalm 33:6 that the word comes: By Yahweh’s word, by the breath of (Yahweh’s) mouth.   

There is NO second PERSON here, but ‘Yahweh’ GOD the FATHER alone.    

Hence, this is why we read John saying: and the (Word) was God. John 1:1c, Yahweh’s word, and the breath of (Yahweh’s) mouth.    

There is only ONE person who is called Yahweh, and He is GOD the FATHER. 

John is telling us the (word) was GOD because the (word) is FROM GOD, so the words GOD speaks are GOD the Fathers.  

However, I am sure most will still refuse to believe my research.  

So therefore I would like to bring out an amazing witness written by the Hebrews writer in Hebrews 1:1 and Hebrews 1:2.  

1 God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 

2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages.  

Here in HEBREWS 1:1 and 1:2 should put an end to what MOST of Christianity say, believe, and teach, that Jesus was ALWAYS GODS (word) and MEDIATOR in the Old Testament. 

As we saw previously, how it was Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel who ALWAYS speaks DIRECTLY Himself in many ways by and THROUGH His Angels, or THROUGH Visions and Dreams, or DIRECTLY Himself as He did to Adam, or DIRECTLY Himself as He did mouth to mouth with Moses. 

God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways.

And we read an IDENTICAL statement in Hebrews 1:1. 

We read and see yet again how the Hebrews writer CONFIRMS GOD Himself spoke DIRECTLY to the prophets in many portions and in many ways.  

Notice how we DO NOT read: GOD spoke to the prophets BY and THROUGH His SON, as we would expect to read if it were the truth, that Jesus was always GODS MEDIATOR.  

In fact the Hebrews writer goes on to tell us when GOD spoke THROUGH Jesus in the very next verse of Hebrews 1:2 by saying: in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages. 

The first part of the verse: in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, is referring to when Jesus started His ministry  and goes on to explain the NEW KINGDOM to come, by the fact GOD has given Jesus: All authority in heaven and on the earth Matthew 28:18. 

Hence, as we see in the end of the verse saying: and through whom He made the ages, hence (aión: a space of time, an age) meaning a duration of time and the period of time, that Jesus started His ministry, how GOD is now RE-CREATING His NEW and perfect KINGDOM to come through Christ now and in the coming (AGES).  

Hebrews 1:1 and 1:2 is concrete proof GOD did not talk through Jesus until Jesus started his ministry, and therefore proves Jesus was not yet GODS mediator, and that Jesus did not pre-exist his flesh.  

In fact we have another great witness by Job who tells us in the Hebrew text of Job 23:13 GOD is [uniquly] one, and GOD had NO MEDIATOR Job 9:33: Nor is there a mediator between us, to lay his hand upon us both.    

I would now like to finish off with some more obvious facts. 

Hebrews 1:2 tells us about how GOD appointed Jesus saying: whom He appointed heir of all things. This is referring to Matthew 28:18 when: All authority in heaven and on the earth, was given to Jesus. 

And a (HEIR) is a person who inherits something from the owner, as Jesus did from His Father. 

However, if Jesus were already the same ONE TRUE GOD, then Jesus would be inheriting what He already owns. 

And HOW could Jesus be the (HEIR) of what He already owns, if He were already GOD, which proves on its own Jesus is NOT the same ONE TRUE GOD. 

Also, if Jesus were already the same ONE TRUE GOD, then Jesus would simply be appointing Himself as the (HEIR).

Also if Jesus were already the same ONE TRUE GOD, how could Jesus CHANGE from being the same Almighty GOD to become someone less, when JAMES 1:17 tells us GOD CANNOT CHANGE.  

Next OBVIOUS FACT. 

As Jesus is the SON of GOD John 10:36 which proves Jesus is a SEPARATE person from GOD, If the (word) of GOD is Jesus in the Old Testament, this would simply mean there are TWO GODS, and NOT one GOD, contradicting the (word) of GOD, who always declares He is ONE GOD and ONE PERSON and GOD ALONE, who created all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF Isaiah 44:24. 

Finally: 

There is also NOT a SINGLE teaching ANYWHERE in the Old Testament saying we MUST pray to GOD THROUGH Jesus, which is odd if Jesus were always GODS MEDIATOR as Jesus is today.

Or is there a SINGLE teaching ANYWHERE in the Old Testament saying GODS people prayed to Jesus, which is again odd if Jesus were always GODS MEDIATOR as Jesus is today.

GODS people always sent their prayers to Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel, as we see in the example below of 
Elijah in 1 Kings 17: 20 He cried to Yahweh, and said, “Yahweh my God, have you also brought evil on the widow with whom I stay, by killing her son?” 21 He stretched himself on the child three times, and cried to Yahweh, and said, “Yahweh my God, please let this child’s soul come into him again." 22 Yahweh listened to the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. 

Notice how Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel is always referred to as being a SINGLE PERSON.

We also see below in Proverbs 3: how Solomon taught to TRUST in a single person and being, who was Yahweh the one true GOD of Israel, and never mentions going through or trusting or fearing in a mediator:   

5 Trust in Yahweh with all your heart, and don’t lean on your own understanding.  6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.  7 Don’t be wise in your own eyes. Fear Yahweh, and depart from evil.  8 It will be health to your body, and nourishment to your bones.  9 Honor Yahweh with your substance, with the first fruits of all your increase:  10 so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine.  11 My son, don’t despise Yahweh’s discipline, neither be weary of his reproof:  12 for whom Yahweh loves, he reproves; even as a father reproves the son in whom he delights. World English Bible.  

The biblical facts prove again most of christianity have been deceived into believing in a false god and a false christ.

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