And as GOD the father only ever declares He is the creator of all things ALONE, then if Jesus was alive and with GOD doing the creating, then we would have countless contradictions against what GOD said that He is the creator of all things ALONE.
If there are contradictions against what GOD said, then that should raise a RED flag.
And should instead say by the (SON) Psalm 33:6, If GOD created all things THROUGH His Son Jesus.
We also find in countless scriptures when referring to (GOD Yahweh's) Name, (He) always has attached the singular verbs as:
(I), He, Me, Him, by myself,
proving (HE) is a SINGLE PERSON.
Just as we read in Genesis 1:27:
God created man in (His) own image, in the image of God (He) created him; male and female (He) created them. Genesis 1:27.
We clearly see how GOD ALONE does the creating with no one with him or next to Him, proving He is ONE GOD ALONE, on His own.
And again Jesus is never, ever mentioned by GOD the Father to be WITH Him alive, and that GOD is working through His Son CREATING the whole world, just as we read GOD say He created all things (by my self in Isaiah 44:24: Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: “I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself;
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And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead, so that He might be holding preeminence in all things,
preeminence in all things,πρωτεύων (prōteuōn) means to have the first place. Phonetic Spelling: (prote-yoo'-o)
Definition: to have the first place
Usage: I have preeminence, am chief, am first.
Paul is referring to: He is before (all things), in precedence. Jesus is considered as first priority in importance, order and rank, which is confirmed by John the Baptist in John 1:15, John 1:30.
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 1 Peter 1:20.
1 John 4:9: In this the love of God has been revealed among us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through Him.
Notice how we read in Acts 2:23 that Jesus is the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, NOT PREEXISTING with GOD but in Gods plan and foreknowledge:
22 Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man having been set forth by God to you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in your the midst, as you yourselves know, 23 Him delivered up by the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands, 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the agony of death, inasmuch as it was not possible for Him to be held by it.
By Simon Brown.
We also see how Paul clearly defined the difference between the person who is GOD and the person who is Jesus by telling us the person who is GOD is invisible.
So as we have clearly seen, as Jesus is: the firstborn of the dead Revelation 1:5, this makes Jesus: the firstborn over all creation Corinthians 1:15, which all took place AFTER Jesus death and Resurrection, this then simply proves Paul is also referring to AFTER Jesus death and Resurrection, as: the firstborn over all creation Corinthians 1:15,
and NOT the first person to ever exist.

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who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers having been subjected to Him. 1 Peter 3:22.
Just as there is NOT a single word by GOD or Jesus saying the Father is the SON, as WRONGLY taught by the Oneness Pentecostal faith.
We now come to the final verse by Paul in Colossians 1:17, that MOST have again become very confused by thinking Jesus was ALIVE BEFORE ALL CREATION, saying: And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
The verses like John 1:1, John 1:3 John 1:10, John 17:5, John 8:58, and so on are used by people who believe Jesus is GOD, or by people who believe Jesus preexisted His Flesh, but on close examination, these verses are again ether FALSE Trinitarian translations, or taken out of context, or simply misunderstood by most.
My research reveals if Jesus pre-existed His Flesh, then He was a Pre human, meaning He was NOT 100% human, CONTRADICTING what Jesus only ever taught that He was GODS Begotten Son, John 10:36 who was fully MAN, John 8:40, who did certainly become the second perfect Adam, but could NOT be the second perfect Adam if He was GOD, or an Angel, and pre-existed His Flesh.
And therefore, a pre-existing Jesus, is NOT the second perfect Adam, and NOT the true MAN and the true Christ, but one of countless false Christ’s, just as Jesus said there would come many false Christ's'. Matthew 24:24.
And the SHOCKING truth is that MOST have been deceived into believing Jesus is the word in John 1:1, meaning Jesus was pre-existing with GOD side by side making TWO GODS, and was PRE-HUMAN, when the word is simply GODS own spoken speech, authority, expressing His mind, plan and command, and is never a second person, until Jesus is BORN John 1:14.
As: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. We MUST then go through the true Jesus Christ, to get to the ONE TRUE GOD.
But as MOST have been deceived into believing in one of countless false Christ’s they will not be able to get to the ONE TRUE GOD, and this is another way how I believe the enemy has deceived MOST:
This explains another reason why Jesus said we MUST overcome, by overcoming the countless deceptions and black holes the enemy has created to deceive people from the truth:
Berean Literal Bible The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out anymore. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. Revelation 3:12
The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. Revelation 3:21.
If we believe in the true Jesus, we will (overcome) and endure: if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us 2 Timothy 2:12.
When we believe in a false Jesus, we DENY the true Christ.
And this all explains why Jesus said in John 17:3: And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
Notice from Jesus own lips, we MUST know the only TRUE God, and the TRUE Jesus Christ, which is eternal life?
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Matthew 24:24,25.
First if you read your bibles introduction page to Colossians you will see the context. In Colosse they had lost the focus on Jesus as head of the church (ekklesia, body) and were worshipping angels.
ReplyDeleteThe context of Colossians is correcting that mistake in the newly created body, the church.
Paul is reinforcing the teaching that Jesus was now raised and head of the different parts of the new creation. The age of Grace, the church. The expression "in the beginning" refers to something. In this case as Simon pointed out it is the beginning of the age we are currently in, the church, and its gifted leaders and spiritual angelic watchers.
It says he created powers authorities and positions so its not the physical earth created here, its positions of authority.
It also says Jesus is the image of God. Adam was the first created in the image. Mankind in general are to "image" God (but have done a terrible job of it) and so Jesus said "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" and this is not meaning visual looks, but nature and operation. An image is by definition something which represents or reflects the original. Acts2 says Jesus is "a man approved by God" and Romans 5 says "by one man (Adam) sin entered the world... and by one (Jesus, the last Adam) propitiation was made for all men."
The bible does not say Jesus existed before all creation, it says he came into existance by the will and active activity of God, to do Gods will in extracting fallen humanity from the mess they got into through disobedience and religion amongst the fallen rebel angelic sons of God who tempted the first Adam.
Just so when it says "all things" it does not mean in all creation. Its like saying "who ate all the cookies" meaning the packet you went to, not every cookie in the whole world. All, here, means in the new creation of his body, us, the new creations.
Blessings, hope this helps.
Ken.