The TRUE Meaning and Misunderstanding of Colossians 1:16 and 1:17.

We continue from Colossians 1:15 to Colossians 1:16, and 1:17.  

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Colossians 1:16:  

For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.  

Most of Christianity believe Paul is teaching here that the whole of the Genesis creation was created by or through Jesus. 

I was one who was deceived by believing this, until my countless debates with Unitarians and Mr Buzzard for over 2 years helped open my heart, mind and eyes, to then force me to go back to the pages of the bible and redo my research through new glasses, to then come to a new understanding and surprising unknown fact proving to be a new revelation for me, that was disclosed to Unitarians, which I now share with many today.  

The Simple Biblical facts:  

The simple understanding is the fact that if the whole world was created by GOD with His Son alive WITH Him and next to him and doing the creating through Him, then WHY was this NOT ever taught or said or mentioned by GOD the Father Himself?  

Psalm 33:6 would have simply said: By Yahweh’s (SON), the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his (SONS) mouth. Psalm 33:6.

And as GOD the father only ever declares He is the creator of all things ALONE, then if Jesus was alive and with GOD doing the creating, then we would have countless contradictions against what GOD said that He is the creator of all things ALONE.

If there are contradictions against what GOD said, then that should raise a RED flag.

However what we find is that Jesus or the (Son) is not mentioned by GOD the Father, but instead we read: By Yahweh’s (word), the heavens were made. and on close examination we find the (word) is simply GODS spoken word from His mouth, His speech, command and authority, which is seen in the end part of the verse: by the (breath of his mouth)  Psalm 33:6.
  
And should instead say by the (SON) Psalm 33:6, If GOD created all things THROUGH His Son Jesus.

We also find in countless scriptures when referring to (GOD Yahweh's) Name, (He) always has attached the singular verbs as:
 (I), He, Me, Him, by myself,
proving (HE) is a SINGLE PERSON.
Just as we read in Genesis 1:27:
God created man in (His) own image, in the image of God (He) created him; male and female (He) created them. Genesis 1:27.

We clearly see how GOD ALONE does the creating with no one with him or next to Him, proving He is ONE GOD ALONE, on His own.

And again Jesus is never, ever mentioned by GOD the Father to be WITH Him alive, and that GOD is working through His Son CREATING the whole world, just as we read GOD say He created all things (by my self in Isaiah 44:24: Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: “I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself;  

Notice how we even read GOD the Fathers name (Yahweh) is in the Hebrew translations, that has been removed from most of the modern Trinitarian translations, which is truly shocking, because GOD the Fathers name (Yahweh) IDENTIFIES GOD the Father as GOD ALONE,  as ONE BEING, and NOT THREE BEINGS.  

So these simple Biblical facts prove the understanding by MOST within the Christian population today is wrong and false and is another GREAT and terrible deception MOST have been deceived into believing, that Jesus was WITH GOD before all creation, therefore deceiving MOST to wrongly believing that Jesus pre-existed His flesh, when instead the Biblical fact prove GOD is GOD ALONE, on His own doing the creating.

The incorrect translation (by).  

The correct translation is: (in Him) all things were created,  

In the Greek text of Colossians 1:16 we have (ἐν in) Him and not by Him.   

And the end says (δι’through) Him and not by Him.  

What did Paul mean in the first part of Colossians 1:16: For in Him all things were created,  

Paul is saying GOD the Father has created ALL things with Jesus in mind, purpose and plan from the foundations of the world Revelation 13-8, 1 Peter 1-20, Galatians 4-4.    

We clearly see how Trinitarians have changed the correct word from (ἐν in) Him, to by Him, to deceive people into believing Jesus is GOD, which is why Trinitarians so often use Colossians 1:16 to make us believe Jesus is GOD, because GOD The father always says he alone is the creator, so by the false Trinitarian translations saying (by him) Jesus, people are deceived into believing Jesus is the same one true GOD, as GOD is the only creator.    

And as most Trinitarians do not look into the Greek translations, but simply use false modern Trinitarian translations, they remain deceived to what the scriptures are truly saying and meaning.

But what did Paul mean in the end of Colossians 1-16 (πάντα all things) were created through him and for him.  

In Hebrews 1:2, we have the answer to what Paul meant by saying (πάντων all things) were created through him and for him.  

Hebrews 1-2:  Berean Literal Bible: in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of (πάντα all things) and through whom He made the ages. 

Notice the words again (πάντα all things), meaning: (in these last days) has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of (πάντα all things), and through whom He made the ages. 

Meaning (πάντα all things), have been (RE CREATED) (in these last days Hebrews 1-2) in Jesus, in the PRESENT AGE, NEW AGE, NEW KINGDOM TO COME IN JESUS, just as we read in three verses back in Colossians 1-13- He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son. The PRESENT AGE, NEW AGE, NEW KINGDOM TO COME IN JESUS, Hebrews 1:2, 

Because: And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Matthew 28:18. 

But what did Jesus mean: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Matthew 28:18?  

The simple answer is back in Colossians 1:16: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities.  

Notice how the wording of Paul (in heaven and on earth), Colossians 1:16? Is identical to the wording of Jesus (in heaven and on earth) Matthew 28:18?  

So by this statement from Jesus  (in heaven and on earth) Matthew 28:18, we know Jesus is referring to the NEW CREATION, because He told us this after His death and resurrection when He fully accomplished the will of his father, where GOD gave Him all authority in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. 

All things were created through Him and for Him.Colossians 1:16, Matthew 28:18.  

So this must conclude that Paul is referring to what Jesus said in Matthew 28:18.

Colossians 1-17: He is before (all things),   

Most of Christianity have again become very confused and deceived by false teachers teaching what Paul is saying and meaning here, and simply think and believe Paul was saying Jesus was ALIVE WITH GOD before ALL CREATION, because of Paul saying: He is before (all things), Colossians 1-17.  

However the truth to what Paul means in verse 1:17 is in the END of the very next verse of Colossians 1:18:
Berean Literal Bible
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead, so that He might be holding preeminence in all things,

preeminence in all things,πρωτεύων (prōteuōn) means to have the first place. Phonetic Spelling: (prote-yoo'-o)
Definition: to have the first place

Usage: I have preeminence, am chief, am first.

Paul is referring to: He is before (all things), in precedence. Jesus is considered as first priority in importance, order and rank, which is confirmed by John the Baptist in John 1:15, John 1:30. 

Which is what Jesus meant in John 8:58, before Abraham was I am, meaning (I am the chosen one), the Messiah, the promised deliverer of Israel, which is why Jesus is: before (all things), first priority in importance, in GODS Plan for mans redemption: 
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 1 Peter 1:20.  

1 John 4:9: In this the love of God has been revealed among us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through Him. 

Notice how we read in Acts 2:23 that Jesus is the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, NOT PREEXISTING with GOD but in Gods plan and foreknowledge:

22 Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man having been set forth by God to you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in your the midst, as you yourselves know, 23 Him delivered up by the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands, 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the agony of death, inasmuch as it was not possible for Him to be held by it.

Sadly the rebellious Jews often did not believe Jesus, and therefore did not understand Jesus, much like most  Christians today.

Up date Mon 2/12/2019.

My Conclusion of Colossians 1:15,16 and 1:17.
By Simon Brown.

My Conclusion of Colossians 1:15, Part 1

My Conclusion of Colossians 1:15, Part 2

In the first part of this video and article we examined Colossians 1:15.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

What did we discover?

We clearly saw, as Paul said Jesus is: the image of the invisible God, which is simple to understand, Jesus cant be the SAME GOD, if He is the image of that invisible GOD, proving Jesus is NOT that same GOD, He is the Image of.

We also see how Paul did NOT say Jesus is: the invisible God, but defines and explains the clear difference between Jesus as being the image of His invisible God.

We also see how Paul clearly defined the difference between the person who is GOD and the person who is Jesus by telling us the person who is GOD is invisible.

We also saw that Jesus being: the firstborn over all creation, does NOT mean Jesus was the FIRST PERSON to exist and pre existed His flesh, as many believe.

But we saw what Paul meant was in the next coming verse of Colossians 1:18: who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead.

As we also see in 1 Corinthians 15-20: the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 

1 Corinthians 15:23: Christ the first fruits.

Acts 26:23: the first to rise from the dead. 

Revelation 1:5 the firstborn of the dead.

So as we have clearly seen, as Jesus is: the firstborn of the dead Revelation 1:5, this makes Jesus: the firstborn over all creation Corinthians 1:15, which all took place AFTER Jesus death and Resurrection, this then simply proves Paul is also referring to AFTER Jesus death and Resurrection, as: the firstborn over all creation Corinthians 1:15, 
and NOT the first person to ever exist.

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We move on to My Conclusion of Colossians 1:16.

My Conclusion of Colossians 1:16, part 1

My Conclusion of Colossians 1:16, part 2

because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

As we know MOST of Christianity, believe Paul was teaching here the WHOLE of Genesis creation was created BY or through Jesus.

However by what Paul says: all things in the heavens and upon the earth, is referring to what Jesus said in Matthew 28:18: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Paul is clearly referring to all the authority given by GOD to Jesus in heaven and on earth to establish the NEW CREATION.

Just as Paul in a few verses back was referring to the NEW kingdom of Christ in Colossians 1:13 saying, who has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of His beloved Son.

Just as we read in Ephesians 1:20-21

which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this age, but also in the one coming.

Notice also in 1 Peter 3:22 how we read AFTER Jesus resurrection:

And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 

22: who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers having been subjected to Him.

So we read AFTER Jesus death, resurrection, and victory, Jesus was given: All authority in heaven and on earth Matthew 28:18.

Above every principality and authority and power and dominion Ephesians 1:21.

Berean Literal Bible.
who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers having been subjected to Him. 1 Peter 3:22.

We clearly see what Paul tells us in Colossians 1:16. about the thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities, which is IDENTICAL with what we are told about Jesus AFTER His Death and resurrection, in Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:21 and 1 Peter 3:22 saying: All authority in heaven and on earth, above every principality and authority and power and dominion, where He went into heaven, where angels and authorities and powers having been subjected to Him.

Is Jesus in Genesis?

There is also NO mention in Genesis about GOD creating the world BY or through Jesus, but we instead read in Genesis 1:27 how the SINGLE person of GOD the Father ALONE who created man in His Image.

So God created man in (His) own image; in the image of God (He) created him; male and female (He) created them.

Notice there is NO mention of (plural) persons, but GOD with (singular) verbs, (His), (HE).

Lets now turn to the page of Job 38:4 God Challenges Job:

Look at what we read?

4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

My question here is, if Jesus was with GOD creating the whole world as MOST believe Paul is saying in Colossians 1:16,

WHERE WAS JESUS, when GOD laid the foundations of the earth?

As we have seen, GOD alone tells Job 38:4 (I) laid the foundations of the earth?

The words by GOD clearly represents a (singular) being for GOD the Father alone.

If it is true, what MOST say and believe that Paul was teaching in Colossians 1:16 the whole of the Genesis creation was created by or through Jesus, then surely GOD the Father would have told us Jesus was ALIVE and WITH Him, at and before creation.

Just as GOD the Farther has made it very clear that He is the GOD and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ:

Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, “This is my beloved Son, 

The Biblical FACTS prove there is NOT a single word by GOD or Jesus saying we are the SAME GOD, or are THREE PERSONS, as WRONGLY taught by the TRINITY faith.

Just as there is NOT a single word by GOD or Jesus saying the Father is the SON, as WRONGLY taught by the Oneness Pentecostal faith.

So lets have a look at just a few verses referring to the creation of the world, and see if there is any mention of Jesus.

Isaiah 45:18, 

World English Bible

For thus says Yahweh who created the heavens, the God who formed the earth and made it, who established it and didn’t create it a waste, who formed it to be inhabited: “I am Yahweh; and there is no other.

So we just saw how Isaiah 45:18 represents a (singular) being for GOD the Father alone, doing the creating, and no mention of Jesus.

Isaiah 48:13:

World English Bible

Yes, (my) hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and (my) right hand has spread out the heavens: when (I) call to them, they stand up together.

Again we also read the same in Isaiah 48:13 that it is a (singular) being for GOD the Father alone doing the creating:

Isaiah 37:16.

World English Bible

"Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel, who is enthroned among the cherubim, you are the God, even you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

We read again in Isaiah 37:16  a (singular) being for GOD the Father alone, hence: you are the God, even you alone, so WHERE is Jesus and the separate Holy Spirit, in the three PERSONS of the TRINITY?

Isaiah 42:5

World English Bible

Thus says God Yahweh, (he) who created the heavens and stretched them out, (he) who spread out the earth and that which comes out of it, (he) who gives breath to its people and spirit to those who walk in it. 

We read again in Isaiah 42:5 a (singular) being for God Yahweh, the Father alone (he) who created the heavens and stretched them out,

Jeremiah 27:5

(I) have made the earth, the men and the animals that are on the surface of the earth, by (my) great power and by my outstretched arm; and (I) give it to whom it seems right to me.

And yet again we read a (singular) being for God Yahweh, the Father alone saying: (I) have made the earth, by (my) great power and by (my) outstretched arm; and (I) give it to whom it seems right to me.

As we have clearly seen, there is NOT a single word or mention by God Yahweh, the Father saying there is a second person Jesus or the third person of the Holy Spirit from the THREE persons of the TRINITY.

There are COUNTLESS verses just like the ones above that ALL tell us the IDENTICAL SAME truth, that God Yahweh is the Father of ALL creation ALONE, doing the creating on His own.

And there is NOT a single verse, or word ANYWHERE in the WHOLE BIBLE, that tells us Jesus was ALIVE WITH GOD, or that there was another TWO SEPARATE BEINGS WITH GOD, and BESIDE GOD doing the creating, as we would expect to see and read if Colossians 1:16 was about Jesus being involved in the Genesis creation.

These very simple facts are what finally convinced me that the Unitarian faith were correct, that Jesus did NOT pre exist His flesh, otherwise GOD would have simply said WE MADE, or the world was made by US, or I created all things WITH, or BY, or THROUGH my Son Jesus and simply would have included and mentioned BOTH, the second person Jesus or the third person of the Holy Spirit from the THREE persons of the TRINITY, as Trinitarians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate beings and all EQUAL.

 My Conclusion of Colossians 1:17.

We now come to the final verse by Paul in Colossians 1:17, that MOST have again become very confused by thinking Jesus was ALIVE BEFORE ALL CREATION, saying: And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

We clearly see how Paul was NOT referring to Jesus being ALIVE and WITH GOD BEFORE ALL CREATION, simply by going to the very NEXT verse where we see Paul now explains what he meant by saying: And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Lets turn to page Colossians 1:18.

Berean Literal Bible

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead, so that He might be holding preeminence in all things,

Notice how Paul is referring to AFTER Jesus death and resurrection, and NOT BEFORE.

By the fact Paul tells us Jesus is: the beginning, firstborn out from the dead.

And then goes on to tells us: He might be holding preeminence in all things,

Notice them SAME words by Paul: in all things, Colossians 1:18.

As we read in Colossians 1:17: And He is before all things.

Notice the words: preeminence in all things.

The Greek word for (πρωτεύω preeminence) simply means: to have the first place Usage: I have preeminence, am chief, am first.

Which clearly adds up to why Paul said in Colossians 1:17: And He is before all things. 

I believe Paul is referring to: He is before (all things), as Jesus is considered as first priority in importance, order and rank, which is why Jesus said in John 8:58, before Abraham was I am, the chosen one), the Messiah, the promised deliverer of Israel, which is why Jesus is: before (all things), first priority in importance, in GODS Plan for mans redemption. Amen.

Friends I am always learning, so if I am wrong, don’t let it go, but let me know, GOD bless you.

Simon Brown.

The verses like John 1:1, John 1:3 John 1:10, John 17:5, John 8:58, and so on are used by people who believe Jesus is GOD, or by people who believe Jesus preexisted His Flesh, but on close examination, these verses are again ether FALSE Trinitarian translations, or taken out of context, or simply misunderstood by most. 

My research reveals if Jesus pre-existed His Flesh, then He was a Pre human, meaning He was NOT 100% human, CONTRADICTING what Jesus only ever taught that He was GODS Begotten Son, John 10:36 who was fully MAN, John 8:40, who did certainly become the second perfect Adam, but could NOT be the second perfect Adam if He was GOD, or an Angel, and pre-existed His Flesh.   

And therefore, a pre-existing Jesus, is NOT the second perfect Adam, and NOT the true MAN and the true Christ, but one of countless false Christ’s, just as Jesus said there would come many false Christ's'. Matthew 24:24.     

And the SHOCKING truth is that MOST have been deceived into believing Jesus is the word in John 1:1, meaning Jesus was pre-existing with GOD side by side making TWO GODS, and was PRE-HUMAN, when the word is simply GODS own spoken speech, authority, expressing His mind, plan and command, and is never a second person, until Jesus is BORN John 1:14.

As: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. We MUST then go through the true Jesus Christ, to get to the ONE TRUE GOD.

But as MOST have been deceived into believing in one of countless false Christ’s they will not be able to get to the ONE TRUE GOD, and this is another way how I believe the enemy has deceived MOST:

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Revelation 12:9.

This explains another reason why Jesus said we MUST overcome, by overcoming the countless deceptions and black holes the enemy has created to deceive people from the truth:  

Berean Literal Bible The one overcoming, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall not go out anymore. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. Revelation 3:12   

The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. Revelation 3:21.  

If we believe in the true Jesus, we will (overcome) and endure:  if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us 2 Timothy 2:12. 

When we believe in a false Jesus, we DENY the true Christ. 

And this all explains why Jesus said in John 17:3:  And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 

Notice from Jesus own lips, we MUST know the only TRUE God, and the TRUE Jesus Christ, which is eternal life?  

What Jesus Christ do you know?   

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.  See, I have told you beforehand. Matthew 24:24,25.

Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16.

but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON OF GOD, and that by believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31.

There is NO TRINITY MYSTERY, 

but a simple understanding, uncomplicated, straightforward Biblical fact:

Jesus Christ is the Son of His one true GOD, Amen.

John 8:24 When we believe GOD is the SON we simply DENY the Father and the SON, and Jesus as the SON of GOD.

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