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I Simon Brown am no longer a Trinitarian, but an independent researcher in no denomination.

Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
SON of God?
1 John 5:5.
NOT GOD OR A TRINITY, but as St john has said: but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON of God? 1 John 5:5.
And as Jesus has said: ETERNAL LIFE is believing His Father GOD is the only ONE TRUE GOD alone. John 17:3. Which is the FIRST commandment one MUST believe. Mark 12:29.
The Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 6:4 says: Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is ONE: (PERSON).

Hezekiah prayed before Yahweh, and said, "Yahweh, the God of Israel, who sit [above] the cherubim, YOU ARE THE GOD, EVEN YOU ALONE, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. 2 Kings 19:15. World English Bible.
Job 23:13: BUT HE ALONE IS GOD, and who can oppose him? God does as he pleases. The HEBREW text actually says GOD IS :בְ֭אֶחָד ḇə-’e-ḥāḏ [UNIQUELY] ONE.

From 2019 I now no longer believe the DEAD are alive in heaven or hell, or that Jesus Pre-Existed His flesh, but was a MAN and the only Begotten SON of his one true GOD, just as He only ever said.
You can see why I now believe Jesus did not Pre-Exist His flesh in my new videos and revised articles on this blog. Seek and you will find said Jesus.
"No responsible NT scholar would claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was taught by Jesus, or preached by the earliest Christians, or consciously held by any writer in the NT" (A.T. Hanson, The Image of the Invisible God).


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Monday, 17 June 2019

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.

Quick Facts:
Having Glory with GOD John 17:5 before the world was created does not mean one was ALIVE with GOD before the world was created.

Jesus did NOT say: And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You (WHEN I WAS WITH YOU, or EXISTED WITH YOU) before the world existed.

In fact ALL humans who have ever existed (HAD) Glory WITH GOD before the world existed, simply because GOD so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son John 3:16.

Being loved by GOD, is having (Glory) WITH GOD, and we all know humans DID NOT EXIST before the world existed.

Father, those whom You have given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory that You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. John 17:24.

Notice how GOD loved Jesus: before the foundation of the world. John 17:24, and how Jesus tells us that they may behold My glory that You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. John 17:24.

In other words Jesus (HAD) Glory with GOD, by the fact GOD loved Jesus before Jesus existed, because GOD loved Jesus before the foundation of the world. John 17:24.

Being loved by GOD is having (Glory) with GOD, which NEVER means one EXISTED before the world existed.

And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, so that they may be one, as We are one-- John 17:22 

Notice how Jesus prays to GOD saying He has given His disciples the SAME GLORY God gave Him in John 17:5.  

And yet we know the disciples DID NOT EXIST before the world existed.

John 17:5

John 17:5 Correct Understanding.

And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed. BLB.

As normal, most of Christianity are deceived and confused with understanding the truth of what Jesus actually meant here in John 17:15 by believing Jesus was teaching He EXISTED WITH GOD before the world existed. 

The obvious facts are:

1. If Jesus is GOD who is WITH GOD as most believe, that equals TWO GODS side by side contradicting the word of GOD who says:
I am Yahweh, and there is none else. Besides me, there is no God. WEB.

2. if Jesus is the SAME One True GOD, as most believe, then Jesus could NOT be with His GOD if they are the SAME One True GOD.

3. Jesus said in John 20:17 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"

if Jesus is the SAME One True GOD, as most believe, then how is it possible that Jesus Father is His GOD, when the One True GOD does NOT have a One True GOD above Him?

The Correct Meaning:

The simple truth is that Jesus is NOT GOD, and Jesus was NOT WITH His GOD before He was born as a MAN in John 1:14.

John 17:5: And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, 
 Jesus was praying to His Father that many of the old Testament Bible prophecies would now be fulfilled, as He was near the end of His ministry and was about to be crucified and raised from the dead to be with His Father (in glory) as our High Priest, Advocate and Mediator, where GODS plan would continue since before the world begun, and the Son would receive (glory), which He worked in Christ, having raised Him out from the dead, and having set Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, Ephesians 1:20

 with the glory that I had with You before the world existed.
Jesus is simply referring to Himself as the (glory) He had with His Father before He physically existed, and that (glory) was in GODS mind and purpose as the highest in precedence to be the promised Messiah in: the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, Acts 2:23, He was known before the foundation of the world 1 Peter 1:20.

Notice Jesus is for-known in GODS plan, and NOT physically existing.

But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come forth for Me One to be ruler over Israel, whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2 

Conclusion:

Jesus prayed to receive the (Glory) GOD promised before the world existed, before Jesus physically existed, that He would now be WITH His Father and GOD: But from now on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” Luke 22:69, fulfilling Bible prophecies, and to continue with fulfilling the Greatest Bible Prophecy yet to come when Jesus will return as the Prince of Peace with His Father as ONE, as a Father and SON.

So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become a high priest, but the One having said to Him: "You are My Son, today I have begotten You." 
Hebrews 5:5

But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins in perpetuity, sat down at the right hand of God, Hebrews 10:12
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 
Mark 16:19

Therefore indeed the Lord Jesus, after speaking to them, was taken up into the heaven and sat at the right hand of God. 
Mark 16:19
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Full article:

What do Trinitarians believe with John 17:5?

Notice below:

John 17:5.

As we see Trinitarians believe Jesus was conscious and existing at the Father’s side before the world was created and therefor proves Jesus Pr- existed with GOD before He was born from Mary as they say.  

After many debates and long research, I no longer believe Jesus Pr- existed with GOD before He was born from Mary.  

Why?  

Notice what Jesus said in John 14:10: Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.  

but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” John 10:38  

We know that Jesus spoke GODS very words because He told us: For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. John 12:49.  

So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. John 8:28  

And notice in Deuteronomy 18:18: 

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.  

What we clearly see is that GOD was in His SON telling Jesus what to say by doing His works.  

If Jesus  Pr- existed with GOD then He would have already known what to say beforehand and would not need His Father telling Him what to say and doing His works.  

Next fact.  

Many believe because Jesus said in John 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.  

So most believe Jesus must be GOD because Jesus was with GOD before creation they say.  

And yet if we go back just a few verses to John 17:3 we read Jesus saying: And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.  

Notice Jesus prays and says His Father is the only true GOD, and excludes Himself from being true GOD, proving Jesus is not GOD.  

So what did Jesus mean by saying in John 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.  

The answer is in John 8:58 when Jesus said: Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”  

Jesus had the glory with His Father not because He pr-existed, but because He is considered as first priority in importance, order and rank, which is confirmed by John the Baptist in John 1:15, John 1:30, which is again why we read in Colossians 1:17 Jesus is before all things, who is the chosen Messiah.  

Jesus was praying to His Father that all the old Testament Bible prophecies would now be fulfilled, as He was at the end of His ministry and was about to be raised from the dead to be with His Father, where GODS plan would be completed, since before the world begun, and the Son would receive glory.  

Notice how Jesus did NOT say: And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You (WHEN I WAS ALREADY WITH YOU) before the world existed.

Notice also that in John 17:22 Jesus goes on to give the glory to His disciples by saying: The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one. 

If Jesus meant He Pr- existed with GOD, that would then also mean the disciples also Pr- existed with GOD, because the disciples receive the same glory given to Jesus.  

And if Jesus had Pr- existed with GOD before hand, then who was He beforehand, Angel, or GOD?

Jesus could not have been an Angel because Hebrews 1: says Jesus was not an Angel. 

Jesus could not have been GOD, because Numbers 23:19 tells us GOD ALMIGHTY cannot become a man or the Son of man, proving Jesus was NOT GOD.  

English Standard Version God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

And Hebrews 1:2 does not tell us GOD spoke through His SON beforehand as taught by most, but that GOD did not speak through His SON until He arrived, also proving Jesus was not GOD and did not pre-exist His flesh.

Hebrews 1:2

I have also added more verses below which show how Jesus
was foreknown before the foundations of the world and yet these scriptures do not say Jesus existed before the foundations of the world, which we would expect if Jesus did exist before the foundations of the world, proving Jesus was in GOD’s mind and plan before the foundations of the world.

1 Peter 1:20: He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you  

Acts 2:23: 
He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.  

Romans 8:29: 
For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.  

Ephesians 1:4:
For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love.  

Notice how born again believers were also: chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.  

Hebrews 9:26 
Otherwise, He would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.  

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.  

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Revelation 13:8


Also Luke 2:52 teal us:
And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man.

If Jesus was GOD, or pre-existed, He would have already known everything and would not need to: increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor.

Also Jesus told us in John 20:17 that GOD was His GOD:
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Now if Jesus was the same ONE TRUE GOD, then how is it Jesus said GOD was His GOD?
Are there TWO GODS?
NO:

Paul gives us the answer in 1 Corinthians 8:6 by saying: yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.  

And as Jesus said GOD was His GOD, IF Jesus was also GOD, then there would be TWO TRUE GODS, which then contradicts the word of GOD who declares He is GOD ALONE.

Psalm 86:10


The Bible tells us Jesus did not pre-exist, but was first in priority, in importance, order and rank, and
was in God’s set plan and foreknowledge before the foundations of the world.

Also read:
John 8:58. Was GOD’s Son claiming to be His GOD in Exodus 3:14, when Jesus said: before Abraham was, I am, in John 8:58?


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I have added bellow a great comment I received from my new and good brother Mr Dudley:

The Jews never believed that the messiah would ever be God they believe he will be a descendant of David.. 

And here is a commentary from the Jewish Bible  on Micah 5:2.  https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16191/showrashi/true   

And you, Bethlehem Ephrathah: whence David emanated, as it is stated (I Sam. 17:58): “The son of your bondsman, Jesse the Bethlehemite.” And Bethlehem is called Ephrath, as it is said (Gen. 48:7): “On the road to Ephrath, that is Bethlehem.”   you should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah: You should have been the lowest of the clans of Judah because of the stigma of Ruth the Moabitess in you.   
from you shall emerge for Me: the Messiah, son of David, and so Scripture says (Ps. 118:22): “The stone the builders had rejected became a cornerstone.”   and his origin is from of old: “Before the sun his name is Yinnon” ((Ps. 72:17).   

The Messiah was created or planed in the mind of God. It does not mean that he was in actual existence. He does not come to reality until the Birth of the Messiah in first century. Notice the wording before the sun is his name, Not his existences.

With you in truth. Dudley.

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