John 17:5 Correct Understanding.
And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed. BLB.
Jesus was praying to His Father that many of the old Testament Bible prophecies would now be fulfilled, as He was near the end of His ministry and was about to be crucified and raised from the dead to be with His Father (in glory) as our High Priest, Advocate and Mediator, where GODS plan would continue since before the world begun, and the Son would receive (glory), which He worked in Christ, having raised Him out from the dead, and having set Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, Ephesians 1:20
Jesus is simply referring to Himself as the (glory) He had with His Father before He physically existed, and that (glory) was in GODS mind and purpose as the highest in precedence to be the promised Messiah in: the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, Acts 2:23, He was known before the foundation of the world 1 Peter 1:20.
But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins in perpetuity, sat down at the right hand of God, Hebrews 10:12
What do Trinitarians believe with John 17:5?
Notice how Jesus did NOT say: And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You (WHEN I WAS ALREADY WITH YOU) before the world existed.
Also Luke 2:52 teal us:
And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man.
If Jesus was GOD, or pre-existed, He would have already known everything and would not need to: increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor.
Also Jesus told us in John 20:17 that GOD was His GOD:
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Now if Jesus was the same ONE TRUE GOD, then how is it Jesus said GOD was His GOD?
Are there TWO GODS?
Paul gives us the answer in 1 Corinthians 8:6 by saying: yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
And as Jesus said GOD was His GOD, IF Jesus was also GOD, then there would be TWO TRUE GODS, which then contradicts the word of GOD who declares He is GOD ALONE.
The Bible tells us Jesus did not pre-exist, but was first in priority, in importance, order and rank, and
was in God’s set plan and foreknowledge before the foundations of the world.
The Jews never believed that the messiah would ever be God they believe he will be a descendant of David..