When I was 7 the nun who was my 2nd grade teacher in the catholic school I went to taught us about the Trinity. It really puzzled me. During recess I pondered on this concept. I came to the realization that it was completely impossible.
I thought, "A man gets us cursed by God so God comes back as a man so that the people can murder him. And that is how we are suppose to get forgiven. God can die? Could men kill him? He would like it? He would be happy with them? I think not."
At that time I had never even seen or heard of the bible as all my family and friends were catholic. The world doesn't believe Jesus when he praised God for revealing things to small children. ... and hiding it from the scholars.
Later when I became familiar with the scriptures I was amazed to find out that I had already known it as though it had been written in my heart from before I could remember. I don't mean that I knew all the people, places, and history but rather I knew that Jesus was the Messiah. And that God raised him up from the dead. And that he is alive and hears my prayers. And that I needed to obey God and walk the same path as Jesus who is my number one hero and role model.
This is what I discovered in my studies. The motive behind "Jesus has to be God" came from the Church of Alexandria. Alexandria was the world capital of Gnosticism and neo-platonic philosophy. They developed a doctrine called Theosis. (Becoming God). They based it on the passage 2 Peter 1:4
"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.."
In neo-platonic philosophy "nature" is defined as the substance of what something is made out of. So put in Athanasius of Alexandria own words. "God came down to the earth and became man so that men could go up to haven and become God." This is how they came up with the veneration of saints and praying to them for divine intervention or protection. If Jesus was not God, or a god, then the doctrine crumbles. This is why we don't see anything about the trinity in the Nicaea 325 Creed. Its only focus is on the divinity of Jesus.
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I find your story encouraging. Because some years ago I gave up on trying to convince anyone. Either they believed the Word or they did not. Either God has reveled these things to them or God has sent them a powerful delusion so that they would believe the lie. Because they do not love the truth.
However in the beginning (35 years ago) of it I found it hard to accept that so much of the world could be completely delusional. . So I made an intense study of the subject. LOL You would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows more about the Trinity than I. Realizing that it was not in the bible and that those who defended it in fact didn't even believe the bible. They just use it . Adding to it, taking away from it, changing the meanings of words, ignoring conflicts, and whatever else they needed to do to make it fit their doctrines.
So realizing that sound reasoning from the scriptures had no effect I turned instead to the study of Church history and 4th century Roman history. I spent thousands of hour cross examining their claims.
They kept saying that Tertullian was the first to use the word the trinity and come up with the original outline for it. So I examined all of the surviving works we have from Tertullian. He coined the word trinitas to mock the teachings of the gnostic Valentinus. He also used it philosophically elsewhere as a metaphor to show that God, and wisdom and knowledge was incomplete without the third element of love.
This is only one example of how they use half truths to create false impressions. The way the Catholic church, and her protestant daughters, make it seem like the issue was settled in 325 at the Council of Nicaea . They leave out the fact that the creed was overturned within months and that Nicene Christians (those that believe Jesus is God) ended up getting removed from the church.
They leave out that fact that Nicene Christianity was let back into the church many years later by Emperor Julian (the apostate) (361 ad) who hated Christianity and wanted to reinstate the old pagan cults.
And probably one of the biggest thing they never mention is that in 380 AD Emperor Theodosius I (the Great), emperor from 379 to 395 and the last to rule over both east and west, along with his junior emperors passed a law (Edict of Thessalonica 380) making Nicene Christianity the only legal religion in the Empire and authorized the punishment of any who did not honor it. The following year he called a council (First General Council of Constantinople 381) to make the church adopt the trinity as the official orthodoxy of his new religion. The Universal (catholic) Church of Rome. Theodosius was praised as the one who ended all paganism and made the world Christian. Yet somehow he was still deified after his death. Go figure.
Bottom line is the Trinity comes from Roman Emperors passing a law. It has nothing to do with real Christianity. It is anti-Christianity. However these true and verifiable facts are all but ignored by those who want to believe in the religions passed down to them by their ancestors and don't care about the truth.
By John Wagman On The TRINITY!
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