Simon Brown.

Proverbs 8:34-36 Blessed is the man who hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at my door posts. For whoever finds me finds life, and will obtain favor from Yahweh. But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul. All those who hate me love death.” Psalm 84: 11 For Yahweh God is a sun and a shield. Yahweh will give grace and glory. He withholds no good thing from those who walk blamelessly. 12 Yahweh of Armies, blessed is the man who trusts in you. 1 John 5:5 Now who is the one overcoming the world, except the one believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

Sunday 4 December 2022

The Testimony And Research By John Wagman On The TRINITY!

The Trinity.

When I was 7 the nun who was my 2nd grade teacher in the catholic school I went to taught us about the Trinity.  It really puzzled me.   During recess I pondered on this concept.   I came to the realization that it was completely impossible. 

I thought, "A man gets us cursed by God so God comes back as a man so that the people can murder him.  And that is how we are suppose to get forgiven.   God can die?   Could men  kill him?  He would like it?  He would be happy with them?   I think not."    

 At that time I had never even seen or heard of the bible as all my family and friends were catholic.  The world doesn't believe Jesus when he praised God for revealing things to small children. ... and hiding it from the scholars.

Later when I became familiar with the scriptures I was amazed to find out that I had already known it as though it had been written in my heart from before I could remember.  I don't mean that I knew all the people, places, and history but rather I knew that Jesus was the Messiah.  And that God raised him up from the dead.  And that he is alive and hears my prayers.  And that I needed to obey God and walk the same path as Jesus who is my number one hero and role model.

This is what I discovered in my studies.  The motive behind "Jesus has to be God" came from the Church of Alexandria.  Alexandria was the world capital of Gnosticism and neo-platonic philosophy.   They developed a doctrine called Theosis. (Becoming God).  They based it on the passage 2 Peter 1:4

"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.."

In neo-platonic philosophy "nature" is defined as the substance of what something is made out of.    So put in Athanasius of Alexandria own words. "God came down to the earth and became man so that men could go up to haven and become God."  This is how they came up with the veneration of saints and praying to them for divine intervention or protection.  If Jesus was not God, or a god, then the doctrine crumbles.  This is why we don't see anything about the trinity in the Nicaea 325 Creed.   Its only focus is on the divinity of Jesus.

 @Is The Creator A TRIAD GOD?  

I find your story encouraging.   Because some years ago I gave up on trying to convince anyone.  Either they believed the Word or they did not.  Either God has reveled these things to them or God has sent them a powerful delusion so that they would believe the  lie.  Because they do not love the truth.    

However in the beginning (35 years ago) of it I found it hard to accept that so much of the world could be completely delusional. .   So I made an intense study of the subject.   LOL You would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows more about the Trinity  than I.  Realizing that it was not in the bible and that those who defended  it  in fact didn't even believe the bible.  They just use it . Adding to it, taking away from it, changing the meanings of words, ignoring conflicts, and whatever else they needed to do to make it fit their doctrines.  

So realizing that sound reasoning from the scriptures had no effect I turned instead to the study of Church history and 4th century Roman history.   I spent thousands of hour cross examining their claims.   

They kept saying that Tertullian was the first to use the word the trinity and come up with the original outline for it.  So I examined all of the surviving works we have from Tertullian.  He coined the word trinitas to mock the teachings of the gnostic Valentinus.   He also used it philosophically elsewhere as a metaphor to show that God, and wisdom and knowledge was incomplete without the third element of love. 

 This is only one example of how they use half truths to create false impressions.  The way the Catholic church, and her protestant daughters,  make it seem like the issue was settled in 325 at the Council of Nicaea .  They leave out the fact that the creed was overturned within months and that Nicene Christians (those that believe Jesus is God)  ended up getting removed from the church.  

They leave out that fact that Nicene Christianity was let back into the church many years later by Emperor Julian (the apostate) (361 ad)  who hated Christianity and wanted to reinstate the old pagan cults.  

And probably one of  the biggest thing they never mention is that in 380 AD Emperor Theodosius I (the Great), emperor from 379 to 395 and the last to rule over both east and west, along with his junior emperors passed a law (Edict of Thessalonica 380) making Nicene Christianity the only legal religion in the Empire and authorized the punishment of any who did not honor it.   The following year he called a council (First General Council of Constantinople 381) to make the church  adopt the trinity as the official orthodoxy of his new religion. The Universal (catholic)  Church of Rome.    Theodosius was praised as the one who ended all paganism and made the world Christian.  Yet somehow he was still deified after his death.  Go figure. 

Bottom line is the Trinity comes from Roman Emperors passing a law.  It has nothing to do with real Christianity.  It is anti-Christianity.  However these true and verifiable facts are all but ignored by those who want to believe in the religions passed down to them by their ancestors and don't care about the truth.

By John Wagman On The TRINITY!


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Comment by cbooth151 debunking the TRINITY:

The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself: FULL ARTICLE HERE

COMMENT by John De Visser on the Trinity and false Christ's:

COMMENT by John De Visser on the Trinity and false Christ's:
The trinity is Satan's flagship of deception, it makes big liars and con artists out of both the Father and the Son.

SHOCKING COMMENT Titled: The Trinity is NOT Biblical.

SHOCKING COMMENT Titled: The Trinity is NOT Biblical.
I recently received this comment on one of my post, which I would like to share with you below. I have also added the persons full research and article under his comment, for you to decide for yourself is it true or false? I know what I believe, BUT DO YOU? Because your ‘DESTINATION’ DEPENDS ON IT. Simon.

Interesting comment.True Christianity originated from Judaism, not Catholic paganism.

Interesting comment.True Christianity originated from Judaism, not Catholic paganism.
By Adam 1984. The Bible was Written by Non-Trinitarians and so is a Non-Trinitarian Book !

Jude 1:4, is a perfect scripture that seems to make this point very clear.

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4.
In an article called What Is Messiah? Jewish Messiah or Christian God by Rick Richardson, he writes:
In his article Cosmic Codebreaker, Pious Heretic, about Sir Isaac Newton (for Christian History Magazine), Karl Giberson writes: “Newton began a sustained reflection on the Christian doctrines and decided that the Anglican status quo was a thorough corruption of the true, original Christianity.
These considerations led him to write over a million words on theology and biblical studies—more than he wrote on any other subject. “Newton's theological investigations convinced him that the doctrine of the Trinity was bogus, a successful deception by St. Athanasius in the fourth century.
Newton argued that the Scriptures had been altered and early Christian writers had been misquoted to make it appear that Trinitarianism had been
the original faith.
Isaac Newton’s theological investigations convinced him that the doctrine of the Trinity was bogus, a successful deception by St. Athanasius in the fourth century.

Sir Isaac Newton believed the Roman Catholic Church was misguided in its interpretation of Christianity, and had returned to idolatry. 

Newton felt that belief in the holy trinity was a flagrant violation of the First of the Ten Commandments.


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