Simon Brown.

Proverbs 8:34-36 Blessed is the man who hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at my door posts. For whoever finds me finds life, and will obtain favor from Yahweh. But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul. All those who hate me love death.” Psalm 84: 11 For Yahweh God is a sun and a shield. Yahweh will give grace and glory. He withholds no good thing from those who walk blamelessly. 12 Yahweh of Armies, blessed is the man who trusts in you. 1 John 5:5 Now who is the one overcoming the world, except the one believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

Tuesday 14 February 2023

Is Jesus Michael The Archangel!


According to Jehovah Witnesses, Jesus pre-existed as Michael the Archangel.


Research by Simon Brown.  

10 QUICK FACTS!

1) The Jehovah Witnesses say, believe and teach Jesus is  Michael the Archangel, So lets start off with the best 10 reasons why I believe Jesus CANNOT possibly be Michael the Archangel.

We know Jesus DIED, as He confirmed in Revelation 1:17-18.
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not. I am the First and the Last,
and the Living One. And I was dead, and behold I am living to the ages of the ages, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.
As Jesus DIED, this simply PROVES Jesus could NOT possibly be Michael the Archangel, simply because GOD's Holy angels cannot die!  Yet we know Jesus DIED. 

2) Yahweh The One True GOD confirms countless times how He alone, by himself created the world as in scriptures like Isaiah 44:24, and Isaiah 40:28.

Yahweh God is GOD AND CREATOR ALONE.


GOD IS GOD ALONE ON HIS OWN.

3) Jesus Himself, never, ever, claims He was with His Father GOD at the creation of the world, or that GOD created all things through Him, but instead Jesus confirms how His Father alone created Adam and Eve as seen in Matthew 19:4 
And answering He said, "Have you not read that the 👉(One) 👈having created from the beginning 'made them male and female.
Notice the 👉(One) 👈 as for the (One) true Father GOD alone, on His own!

Matthew 19:4
Matthew 19:4 also debunks the Trinity!

4) Jesus holds the unique titles as the New Adam, the Second Adam, the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:45-49,Romans 5:12-19.
As we know Adam was a MAN, who did not pre-exist His flesh, and so the Second Adam Jesus came, who is the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, who also MUST be a MAN like the first Adam, and who did not pre exist his flesh like the first Adam.
If Jesus were GOD or Michael The Archangel, or some kind of  pre-existing Spirit, He would not be a true MAN, and the Second Adam Jesus, or the Christ.
With all that in mind, proves Jesus could not have pre-existed.
And this is why I believe it is essential to know the true Christ, as Jesus tells us in John 17:3.

5) Another great title of Jesus as, the Son of Man!

The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: 30 times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, 25 times in Luke and 12 times in John.[3][7] 
3. Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in Earliest Christianity by Larry W. Hurtado, ISBN 0-8028-3167-2 Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2005 pages 290-293
7.The Son of Man by Chrys C. Caragounis 1986 ISBN 3-16-144963-0 page 145-147

At this stage I can say, we know when Jesus said He was (the SON of MAN) He was referring to an amazing Old Testament Prophecy of Himself, and a messianic title derived from the Book of Daniel 7:13-14.
And as the first Women Eve was taken from the First MAN Adam, this confirms WHY Jesus so often called Himself (The Son of MAN), as Jesus was affirming His human form, and is affirming his humanity, as a MAN.

As Adam means MAN, and Jesus was BORN as a HUMAN, John 1:14, this explains WHY Christ is called (the Son of Man) as the entire HUMAN line of descent is traced back to the first MAN Adam, hence the term, Christ is called (the Son of Man), traced back to the first MAN Adam, is being recalled.

The Son of Man, is a direct reference to Jesus as coming from the first MAN ADAM.
When Jesus said so many times He was (the Son of Man), Jesus was confirming His humanity as a MAN, hence, the first human.

My research proves Jesus was continually making a distinction between Himself as being a HUMAN BEING, and NOT a pre existing being, or GOD.

6) Jesus is never, ever, called a pre existing being, but always as a MAN as FLESH, Zechariah 6:12, John 1:14, Acts 2:22, John 8:40, 1 Timothy 2:5 Berean Literal Bible
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, 👉 the man 👈 Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second 👉 man 👈 from heaven.

Did you notice how we do not read in 1 Corinthians 15:47 that the second man from heaven was an Angel?

And did you also notice how the word of GOD often talks FIGURATIVELY, because we read Paul saying Jesus was the second  man from heaven.
Well, as we know, flesh and blood or MAN, CANNOT live in heaven.
Many are confused with the Bibles teaching of Jesus coming DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Not understanding that Jesus and the word of GOD often spoke in parables and in a figure of speech, metaphor's, idioms, and symbolic meanings, 
as Jesus said in John 16:25 until the end of his ministry.

7) Jesus is always plainly and clearly IDENTIFIED:
He is called Jesus, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:25, Luke 1:31, the Lamb of GOD John 1:29, Saviour and Christ, "the Anointed One", Lord, and Messiah Luke 2:11, Matthew 16:16, Matthew 16:20.
the SON of GOD John 10:36, Matthew 16:16, Revelation 2:18,  the Only Begotten Son of GOD, John 1:18, John 3:16, Immanuel Matthew 1:23.23, the  bread of life John 6:35.5, the living bread that came down from heaven. John 6:51, the light of the world John 8:23, John 9:5, the Son of Man John 8:28, the door, John 10:9, the good shepherd. 

The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:11, the resurrection and the life John 11:25, the way, and the truth, and the life John 14:6, the true vine  John 15:1, the Messenger of great counsel Isaiah 9:6, the Greek Septuagint, the First and the Last Revelation 1:18, the messenger of the church in Smyrna Revelation 2:8, the Holy One, the True One, Revelation 3:7, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of God’s creation Revelation 3:14.

As we have seen, there are many GREAT names and Titles for Jesus, but NOT a single word saying Jesus is a pre-existing Angel, or that His name is called Saint Michael, or that He is Michael the Archangel, or that He pre-existed as a Spirit being, or that He is called GOD Almighty. 

8) Jesus is not mentioned in Hebrew 1:1, but only: God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways.
And so Hebrews 1:1 proves Jesus was not yet in existence, until His arrival in Hebrews 1:2👉 in these last days👈 has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages.

9) We now move to the (unique) WORDS of Job 23:13, GOD is ONE BEING with NO MEDIATOR!
Job 9:33 tells us: Nor is there a mediator between us, to lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:33
We clearly see how Job tells us there is NOT A MEDIATOR, and praying how we need A MEDIATOR, between GOD and MAN, which GOD so wonderfully already had known and planned, before the foundations of the world 1 Peter 1:20.

10) In Hebrews 1:4,5 we read how Jesus is much superior to the angels, and For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are my Son; today I have begotten You”? 6 And again, when He brings the Firstborn into the world, He says: “And let all God’s angels worship Him.” Please notice there, how Angels worship Jesus, and not Angels worshiping Michael The Archangel.
In fact in Revelation 22:8,9, we read how John was told NOT to worship the Angels: 


FULL ARTICLE!

In this article:
What do the Jehovah Witnesses believe?
How Jesus always IDENTIFIED Himself.
Who is Michael the Archangel?
We see how Yahweh GOD alone is GOD and creator alone.
We read how Jesus is NOT PRE-EXISTING, but is instead (FOREKNOWN).
We look at the false translations of Hebrews 1:2.
We look at the greatest misunderstanding in the whole Bible of John 1;1.
We will see how Proverbs 8: onwards is about Lady WISDOM depicted as a SHE, not Jesus.

We will see how most of Christianity do not understand what Jesus meant by saying I came down from heaven.
Plus much more!
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According to Jehovah Witnesses, Jesus pre-existed as Michael the Archangel.

In Revelation 12:9, we read how the devil has deceived the whole inhabited world.

Has the Devil also deceived the Jehovah Witnesses into believing in another one of countless false Christ's?

Lets find out!

At this point, there is some good news, as the Jehovah Witnesses have overcome the deceptions which most of Christianity have not overcome, by correctly understanding and believing how Yahweh GOD the Father is The ONE TRUE Father and GOD alone on His own.

Is GOD three called the Trinity?
Click HERE, or on the image to read this article

But even so, how will the Jehovah Witnesses cometh to the Father, if they have a false Christ?

Because, as Jesus said in John 14:6, there is NO WAY to the Father except through Him the true MAN and Christ, who is the only one TRUE mediator between The ONE TRUE GOD and the human race.

Do most of Christianity correctly understand what the Jehovah Witnesses do not understand, that Jesus did not pre-exist as Michael the Archangel?

And yet who is more deceived and confused, as most of Christianity believe the SON of GOD pre-existed as GOD Himself. Which would mean the SON of GOD is the SON of Himself!

While on the other hand, the Jehovah Witnesses correctly understand what most of Christianity do not understand that GOD is GOD alone, by Himself.

Let's examine the Biblical facts, and see what the word of GOD reveals about GOD's only one and TRUE Begotten SON and Christ.  

Are the Jehovah Witnesses correct? 

Did Jesus pre-exist as Michael the Archangel?

Please may we first acquaint ourselves with what the Jehovah Witnesses say, believe and teach as seen on their web site below:

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Who Is the Archangel Michael?

You can click on this image to take you directly to: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/

Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?

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And here are some comments I have received on my you tube channel.

Please see below some more reasons why the Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus pre-existed as Michael the Angel.  

We continue with a popular verse used by the lovely Jehovah Witnesses which they believe proves Jesus pre-existed His flesh.

(Micah 5:2) And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel, WHOSE ORIGIN IS FROM ANCIENT TIMES, from the days of long ago.

For the correct understanding of (Micah 5:2) please see my article here: Micah 5:2 The Correct understanding.

According to what Jehovah Witnesses believe:

Normal humans have an origin at conception. Jesus pre-existed his human birth.

John 8:23  (Jesus) went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I AM FROM THE REALMS ABOVE. You are from this world; I AM NOT FROM THE WORLD. 

I believe that Jesus knew where he came from.

Ignoring all these scriptures wouldn't make them disappear.

 It is there staring us in the face.

If I ask, "Which of the Horses was used in the parade?"

The answer logically will be a particular Horse and not an Elephant.

'To WHICH OF THE ANGELS did God...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.

(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than YOUR COMPANIONS.”

Who are Jesus' companions over whom God chose Jesus? Obviously other ANGELS.

Jesus is now superior to angels because God promoted him to a superior position. The prophesied 'mighty god' of Isaiah 9:6.

(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

God will not command any angel to worship Jesus, thus, breaking his own law (Exodus 20:3). The word worship in Greek is similar to the word love in English.

Love for God and for good food doesn't mean the same type of love.

By Tonga Khan

To Is The Creator A TRIAD GOD?  : If we read Daniel 7:13,14, we are show a heavenly scene. An angel is chosen who is LIKENED to a Son of Man. He is NOT a Son of Man. 

This chosen angel is brought before God by the other angels and God confers on this chosen angel rulership and stuff. Before that happens this angel is SENT to become a human to pay off the penalty imposed on Adam. (cf Exodus 21:23) (Philippians 2:7) No, but he emptied himself (of his angelic spirit form) and took a slave’s form and BECAME A HUMAN. 

Jesus was a TRANSFER of an angel into the womb of Mary to become a human. Nothing of Mary was used except the womb environment. Thus, Jesus didn't inherit defective genes.  1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Jesus couldn't give anyone life while being a human. 

He dies and is resurrected back into his spirit form by God (1 Peter 3:18). Psalms 49:7 None of them can ever redeem a brother Or give to God a ransom for him,  8 (The ransom price for their life is so precious That it is always beyond their reach); If Jesus was a mere human, we would still be without hope. Matthew 20:28 Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to GIVE HIS LIFE AS A RANSOM in exchange for many.” Let me know what about the above scriptures doesn't make sense. I'll help if possible.

Yes you are right I actually just spoke to a Jehovah witnesses the other day and this is the explanation he gave me in regards to Jesus, you can kick around and see what you can come up with, and I quote " spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael? At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion. Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael. Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role. The Jehovah's witnesses might have sent me more, info I will just have to dig a little and Il send it over to you to reevaluate. I generally converse with different faiths and religions just to see if any real new discoveries are found, and then check the original root meaning, based on scriptures quoted and then to share it with knowledgeable people like yourself, for it to be reevaluated for a second time.

Brother I dug up and found one more, check it out carefully with no rush and tell me what you think, I'm on your side in regards to determining if anything makes sense, and it goes like this " The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes” that came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by the “prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Dan. 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex. 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9.

Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be the “archangel,” meaning “chief angel” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief or head of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with a “commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to an “archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.

There are also other correspondences establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (10:13), recorded a long-range prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (11:40), and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up” (12:1), that is, will take up power or begin to reign as king. (Compare Daniel 8:22, 23; 11:2, 3, 7, 20, 21.) This implies that a period of being seated preceded his standing up as king. In agreement therewith Hebrews 10:12, 13 says regarding Christ Jesus: “This man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.” Michael’s standing up was to lead to a “time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.”—Dan. 12:1.

The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Rev. 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them.

Now we have seen on the Jehovah Witnesses web site why they believe Jesus pre-existed as Michael the Angel, including some comments of their's, lets now examine if their claims are Biblical.

1) Jehovah Witnesses say:

Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth.

The truth is, I do not know of any teachings in the whole of the Bible saying or teaching Jesus is “Saint Michael,” or is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth.

In fact, I hope to see the Jehovah Witnesses on their door to door rounds' when they visit next, and I will kindly ask them for this verse saying (Jesus was also called Saint Michael).

Well, while writing this article, the Jehovah Witnesses turned up, and my eyes nearly popped out of my head.

So I was able to ask two of the men: where is Jesus called “Saint Michael,” or Michael the Archangel?

Instead of an answer, they scratch their heads, and changed the subject.

If Jesus name was also “Saint Michael,” and pre-existed His flesh as Michael the Archangel, why then are there NO such teachings throughout the whole Bible saying so.

Where did Jesus Himself identify Himself as  Michael the Archangel, or some kind of Spirit being before He was Begotten, or even as many believe was GOD.

From my own study and research, I discovered how Jesus always IDENTIFIED Himself.

Can we have a look at a perfect example seen in Revelation 22:16.

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the (root) and the (descendant) of David, the bright morning star.”

Notice, how there is nothing said by Jesus calling Himself Michael the Angel, or a pre- existing being.

But notice instead how Jesus sent His Angel, to identify Himself as Jesus: 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches.

Also, if Jesus pre-existed as Michael the Angel, how then could Jesus be the descendant of David?

Notice the Greek word ῥίζα for (root), and γένος (offspring).

Revelation 22:16 .

Revelation 22:16

As we saw, there is nothing by Jesus saying He is, or was, an Angel, but instead IDENTIFIES Himself through His Angel saying: He is "Jesus" and that He is: the (root) and the (descendant) of David, the bright morning star.”

However, I get things wrong, being a man, so lets continue by seeing and looking at many other great titles of Jesus, because we know for sure how Jesus was always clearly IDENTIFIED, and there we may see if there are any indications of Jesus being called Michael the Archangel, or if He could be some kind of Spirit being, or a pre-existing Angel, or even if He could be called The ONE TRUE GOD.

WHO IS JESUS?

He is called: The Word (OF) God. Revelation 19:13.

Notice, NOT GOD the word, or Michael the Archangel!

He is called: the Word that became flesh John 1:14.

NOT GOD who became flesh!

He is called: Jesus, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:25, Luke 1:31. 

NOT Yahweh, or the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or the ONE TRUE GOD.

He is called: the Lamb of GOD John 1:29.

NOT GOD the Lamb.

He is called: Savior and Christ, which means "the Anointed One" and is called Lord, and Messiah Luke 2:11, Matthew 16:16, Matthew 16:20.

Christ never, ever, means (I am GOD)!

He is called: the SON of GOD John 10:36, Matthew 16:16, Revelation 2:18.

NOT GOD the SON!

He is called: the Only Begotten Son of GOD, John 1:18, John 3:16.

GOD IS NOT BEGOTTEN, BUT ALWAYS WAS, PROVING JESUS IS NOT GOD!

He is called: Immanuel Matthew 1:23.

Immanuel means GOD was with His people, by, and with, and in His SON.

Which is why Immanuel is translated as GOD with us. NOT Immanuel is GOD, or Jesus is GOD!

He is called: the  bread of life John 6:35.5. 

He is called: the living bread that came down from heaven. John 6:51. NOT GOD who came down from heaven.

He is called: the light of the world John 8:23.

He is called: the Son of Man John 8:28

NOT THE GOD MAN, AS GOD IS NOT A MAN, OR THE SON OF MAN: 👉God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, 👈 that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

He is called: a great prophet Luke 7:16, Deuteronomy 18:15, Matthew 21:11, Luke 2:25, Luke 24:19, John 4:19.

GOD Almighty is never called a prophet, but instead sends His prophets, who speaks for GOD!

He is called: the light of the world. John 9:5.

NOT THE LIGHT OF MAN, WHO IS GOD ALONE John 1:4.

He is called: the door, John 10:9.

He is called: the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:11.

GOD DID NOT LAY HIS LIFE DOWN, AS GOD CANNOT DIE, BUT GOD's DIVINE LOVE WAS REVEALED BY GIVING HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON John 3:16!

He is called: the resurrection and the life John 11:25.

NOT THE CREATOR OF LIFE WHICH IS GOD ALMIGHTY ALONE BY HIMSELF Genesis 1, Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3, Hebrews 1:10!

He is called: the way, and the truth, and the life John 14:6.

THIS PROVES JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY WAY TO GOD!

He is called: the true vine John 15:1.

NOT GOD WHO CREATED THE VINE!

He is called: the Messenger of great counsel Isaiah 9:6, in the Greek Septuagint.

GOD IS NOT A MESSENGER, BUT INSTEAD SENDS HIS MESSENGERS AS HE DID WITH JESUS SENDING THE ULTIMATE MESSENGER OF HIS WORD!

He is called: the First and the Last Revelation 1:18, meaning Jesus is the First from the dead, and the last perfect Adam.

BUT GOD IS The First and the Last, meaning the Alpha (Α or α) and omega (Ω or ω) the BEGINNING and the END.

He is: the messenger of the church in Smyrna Revelation 2:8

GOD IS NOT A MESSENGER, BUT INSTEAD SENDS THE MESSENGERS!

He is called: the Holy One, the True One, Revelation 3:7, Jesus is the image and radiance of GOD's glory and the exact expression of His substance of His GOD, Hebrews 1:3, (Colossians 1:15-23)! But Jesus is NOT GOD!

He is called: the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of God’s creation Revelation 3:14.

NOTE, JESUS IS NOT GOD, BECAUSE HE IS THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS OF GOD AND FOR GOD, WHO IS THE BEGINNING OF GOD's NEW CREATION Colossians 1:16!

As we have seen, there are many GREAT names and Titles for Jesus.

So far we have NOT seen a single word saying Jesus is a pre-existing Angel, or that His name is called Saint Michael, or that He is Michael the Archangel, or that He pre-existed as a Spirit being, or that He is called GOD Almighty, which the Jehovah Witnesses agree.

Now we have established what Jesus is called, and how Jesus is NOT GOD, and is never called Michael the Archangel.

Are the clouds starting to clear away? 

Lets now read and see what Michael the Archangel is called.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon

STRONGS NT 3413: Μιχαήλ

Μιχαήλ, ὁ (מִיכָאֵל, i. e. 'who like God?'), Michael, the name of an archangel, who was supposed to be the guardian angel of the Israelites (Daniel 12:1; Daniel 10:13, 21): Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7. (BB. DD. under the word.)

In Daniel 10:13 Michael is called one of the chief princes.

In Jude 1:9 he is called Michael the archangel,

Berean Literal Bible But Michael the archangel, when he was reasoning with the devil, disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring against him a blasphemous judgment, but he said "The Lord rebuke you."

In Revelation 12:7 we read how war broke out in heaven, and Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.

In Daniel 12:1 Michael is called the great prince.

And the Strong's Concordance tells us the meaning of  prince:

sar: chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince

Original Word: שַׂר

The name of Michael means "Who is like God?" Original Word: מִיכָאֵל.

The Jehovah Witnesses say and believe as Michael means "Who is like God?" This proves Michael is Jesus.

But in (Genesis 1:26-27) we read how Adam and Eve were also created in the image of God, and we know Adam and Eve were NOT angels, and did not pre-exist.

Jesus is called The Only Begotten SON of GOD John 1:18, John 3:16,.

Michael the Archangel is never called Begotten Son.

The HELPS Word-studies tells us the name Iēsoús – Jesus, is the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

We also know the name of Michael the Archangel, does not have the same meaning as Jesus name, saying: "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

We now move to the Biblical facts revealing how Jesus could not possibly be Michael the Archangel, simply because the Biblical facts prove Jesus did NOT pre -exist His flesh, as we will see!

Notice in Hebrews 1:1 what we read:

God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways.

Did you notice how we do not read GOD having spoken long ago to our fathers BY or THROUGH Jesus?

Jesus is not mentioned until His arrival in Hebrews 1:2👉 in these last days👈 has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the👉 ages.👈

And Hebrews 1:2 agrees with when Jesus was Begotten as flesh in John 1:14, Matthew 1;18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ came about in this way: His mother Mary, having been pledged to Joseph, before their coming together, was found holding in womb through the Holy Spirit.

The Jehovah Witnesses use their own translation of Hebrews 1:2 saying: has at the end of these days+ spoken to us by means of a Son,+ whom he appointed heir of all things,+ and through whom he made+ the systems of things.* 

And Jehovah Witnesses site John 1:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and  Colossians 1:16, to support their faith that GOD created all things through a pre-existing Christ.

However, please see my article here or below on John 1:3, and  Colossians 1:16.

Their own translations of Hebrews 1:2, do not say what the Greek translations says. but the correct translations say in the Berean Literal Bible: in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the 👉(ages).👈

Notice: and through whom He made the 👉(ages).👈This does NOT mean the UNIVERSE or WORLDS, as the Jehovah Witnesses seem to misunderstand.

Hebrews 1:2 also confirms GOD did not talk THROUGH His Son Jesus until Jesus started His ministry after He was BORN.

As we read 👉 in these last days 👈has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made 👉 the ages.👈

Hebrews 1:2

Notice also the correct word at the end of the verse saying AGES, meaning a space of time, an AGE, a time period from when Jesus was preaching, hence, 👉in these last days,👈 and when Jesus was appointed heir of all things, as Jesus tells us in Matthew 28:1, And having come to them, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me.

We must be a Berean Jew and be sure not to believe everything we read, as most Trinitarians believe what they read, who do not examine or search for the correct translations and therefore are deceived. 

Hebrews 1:2 FALSE Trinitarian  translations

Hebrews 1:2:

Therefore when you seek you will find said Jesus Matthew 7:7 and you will be above most Trinitarians and you will do yourself a great favour by overcoming the enemy's deceptions by coming to know the many false Trinitarian translations throughout the Bible, just like the many false translations of Hebrews 1:2 saying WORLDS, or UNIVERSE deceiving millions into believing GOD created the WORLD, or UNIVERSE through Jesus, therefore deceiving millions into believing Jesus was PRE-HUMAN by PRE-EXISTING His flesh, which makes yet again another FALSE CHRIST, and NOT the HUMAN true Christ.

Hebrews 1:2

Proverbs 8:1

Doesn't wisdom cry out? Doesn't understanding raise (her) voice? 

Many believe Proverbs 8:22 onwards is about Jesus especially the Jehovah Witnesses, and yet WISDOM is depicted as a SHE, and a FEMALE, yet Jesus is a MALE and not a SHE.

We also see in 1 Corinthians 1:30 how Jesus was made unto us wisdom from God, and not that Jesus was already the wisdom from God.

But out of Him, you are in Christ Jesus, who has been made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

In fact many translations say Jesus BECAME to us wisdom from God, again NOT that Jesus was always the wisdom from God, as we would expect to read if Jesus was pre-existing as GOD's MEDIATOR in heaven before He was BORN, or was the great Michael The Archangel.

English Standard Version

And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

Most Christians especially the Jehovah witnesses believe Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus being with GOD before all creation: then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, always rejoicing before him.

Not understanding by believing Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus they are CONTRADICTING what GOD Himself said that He ALONE, BY HIMSELF created all things and never says anything about Jesus being WITH HIM by His side as we read in Isaiah 44:24, which on its own, proves Jesus was NOT WITH GOD before all creation:

Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: "I am Yahweh, who makes all things; 👉who alone👈 stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by 👉myself.👈World English Bible Isaiah 44:24.

To say and believe GOD created ALL THINGS through Jesus, is to CONTRADICT what GOD says, just as the Jehovah Witnesses do over, and over again.

And how about this?

If Jesus was Michael the Archangel before Jesus was born as a MAN, that would mean GOD created ALL things THROUGH Michael the Archangel, which is according to what the Jehovah Witnesses say, believe and teach.

And yet there are NO such teachings in the whole bible saying GOD created all things through Michael the Archangel.

In fact the word of GOD tells us how the Angels were created by GOD, agreeing with Isaiah 44:24: saying how GOD: ALONE stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth BY MYSELF. 

And if we read about Michael the Archangel, we discover Michael is the chief prince of Angels.

However, Jesus is not called the chief prince, and if we turn to Revelation 19:16 we see how Jesus has another Title and a greater name that Michael the Archangel does not have saying: He (Jesus) has a name having been written upon the robe and upon His thigh: King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

There is also a question, and that question is, can Angels DIE? 

Well the answer is NO, Holy Angels cannot DIE.

If Jesus was Michael the Archangel, how then did Jesus DIE, when Holy Angels cannot DIE? 

True Christians must believe Jesus died, and rose from the dead to be saved: 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart.” That is, the word of faith which we proclaim, 9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him out from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For in the heart is belief unto righteousness, and in the mouth is confession unto salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone believing on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord of all is rich toward all those calling Him, 13 for, “Whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Angels are Sons of GOD. However, the great difference is that Jesus is the Only Begotten SON of GOD John 1:18, John 3:16.

Jesus also came into existence in the womb of Mary, well AFTER GOD had created the Angles as written in Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are my Son; 👉today I have begotten You”?👈

Notice: Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are my Son; 👉today I have begotten You”?👈

In other words there is NO SON like GODS Only Begotten SON the Christ Jesus.

In fact the whole of Hebrews 1:1 to 14 proves Jesus was not an Angel, but is much superior to the angels of GOD.

Hebrews 1

The Supremacy of the Son

(Colossians 1:15-23)

1 God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages, 3 who, being the radiance of His glory and the exact expression of His substance, and upholding all things by the power of His word, through having made the purification of sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become by so much superior to the angels, as much as He has inherited a name more excellent beyond theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are my Son;

today I have begotten You”?

And again:

“I will be to Him for a Father,

and He will be to Me for a Son”?

6 And again, when He brings the Firstborn into the world, He says:

“And let all God’s angels worship Him.”

Please notice there, how Angels worship Jesus.

7 And indeed as to the angels He says:

“The One making His angels winds,

and His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But unto the Son:

“Your throne, O God, is to the age of the age,

and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9 You have loved righteousness and have hated wickedness;

because of this, God, Your God,

has anointed You with the oil of exultation

above Your companions.”

10 And: “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are works of Your hands.

Please notice there how we read a single being for the Lord GOD on His own has laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are works of Your hands. Notice 👉(Your hands),👈 agreeing with Isaiah 44:24: saying how GOD: ALONE stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth 👉BY MYSELF.👈

Notice Jesus is NOT there, as the Jehovah Witnesses wrongly say and believe, by them saying and believing GOD created all things through Jesus.

11 They will perish but You remain;

and all will grow old like a garment;

12 and like a robe You will roll them up,

and like a garment they will be changed;

but You are the same,

and Your years will never end.”

13 Now to which of the angels did He ever say:

“Sit at My right hand,

until I may place Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet”?

Notice: 13 Now to which of the angels did He ever say:

“Sit at My right hand,

In other words Jesus is NOT an Angel, because GOD did NOT say this to ANY Angel, except GOD's only Begotten SON the Christ Jesus.

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, being sent forth for service for the sake of those being about to inherit salvation?

We now move forward to my next witness proving Jesus is NOT Michael the Archangel 

Philippians 2:9 tells us: Therefore God also highly exalted Him, and granted to Him the name above every name,

Now here is something to seriously think about, for the Jehovah Witnesses.

Michael the Archangel is and was already a “Mighty chief prince” above all Angels, who protects the people of Israel In Daniel 10:21.

Why would GOD need to highly exalt Jesus, and grant to Him the name above every name, if Jesus were already a “Mighty chief prince” above all Angels in the beginning?

Philippians 2:9 tells us how Jesus was highly exalted by GOD and was given the name above every name, and creature.

The fact Jesus was highly exalted by GOD and was given the name above every name, is proof that Jesus was NOT Michael the Archangel who was already a “Mighty chief prince” above all Angels.

May we now turn to Ephesians 1

Spiritual Wisdom

15 Because of this, I also, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus among you, and the love toward all the saints, 16 do not cease giving thanks for you, making mention in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes your of heart being enlightened, in order for you to know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us believing according to the working of the power of His might, 20 which He worked in Christ, having raised Him out from the dead, and having set Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this age, but also in the one coming. 22 And He put all things under His feet and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of the One filling all in all.

Again we read how GOD has set Jesus at His right hand in the heavenly realms, above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name. 

Well, according to the Jehovah Witnesses, Jesus is already Michael the Archangel, and Michael the Archangel is a “Mighty chief prince” above all Angels, so WHY would GOD set Jesus at His right hand in the heavenly realms, above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name, if Jesus was already ABOVE everyone else?

Ephesians 1, proves Jesus was NOT as high as Michael the Archangel, but because Jesus did the Father's will and overcome all trials as a MAN, He was therefore given by GOD "All authority in heaven and on the earth Matthew 28:18.

If Jesus was Michael the Archangel, that would mean Angels are worshiping another Angel, and yet I don't know of any such teachings in the Holy Bible, saying angels are to worship Michael the Archangel.

There are also NO such teachings in the Bible saying we humans are to worship Angels.

In fact in Revelation 22:8,9, we read how John was told NOT to worship the Angel: 

8 And I, John, am the one hearing and seeing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing these things me. 9 And he says to me, “See that you not do this. I am your fellow servant, and with your brothers the prophets, and with those keeping the words of this book. Worship God!”

So are  the Jehovah Witnesses worshipping an Angel? As the Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

And yet the Angel said to John: “See that you not do this.

In Philippians 2:10 we read: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in the heavens and on earth and under the earth.

So as the Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, this would simply mean the Jehovah Witnesses are doing what the Angel said to John, NOT to do:  “See that you not do this. Revelation 22:9.

We move forward to my next witnesses in Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, and Hebrews 1:5.

In all these scriptures, we read how "Begotten today" and "born this day" disproves Jesus pre-existence. 

Hebrews 5:5

For to which of the angels did God ever say: "You are My Son; today I have become Your Father"? Or again: "I will be His Father, and He will be My Son"?

The scriptures above confirm how Jesus first came into existence by being BEGOTTEN of His father in the womb of Mary.

John 1:14 The Correct Meaning. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. 

John 1:14 continues saying: And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Notice Jesus is: an only begotten from the Father, meaning Jesus was the ONLY BORN/BEGOTTEN, directly Fathered from His GOD and Father.

To be Begotten means to come into existence, and NOT PRE- EXISTING as most wrongly believe.

John 1:14 is simply saying the (word) of Yahweh became a living, walking, physical MAN, called The Word (OF) God in Revelation 19:13 and Yahweh's Begotten Son.

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, 👉HAVING BEEN BORN OF A WOMEN,👈 having been born under the Law, Galatians 4:4.

Notice how Jesus first came into existence by HAVING BEEN BORN OF A WOMEN?

Please notice how we read in Acts 2:22 saying Jesus was a MAN, and nothing about Jesus being GOD, or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit being BEFORE He was BORN:

 Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, 👉(A MAN)👈 having been set forth by God to you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in your the midst, as you yourselves know.  

Notice in John 8:40 how Jesus Himself confirms He is (A MAN) and says nothing about Himself being GOD, or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit being BEFORE He was BORN:

 But now you seek to kill Me,👉 (A MAN)👈 who has spoken to you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.

Romans 1:

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the Good News of God, 2 which he promised before through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we received grace and apostleship, for obedience of faith among all the nations, for his name's sake; 6 among whom you are also called to belong to Jesus Christ;

Notice how Paul tells us that Jesus: was BORN of the seed of David according to the flesh, who was declared to be the Son of God, in line with what Jesus tells us in John 10:36 saying I am the Son of GOD. NOT GOD, or an Angel.

Notice how we do NOT read Paul saying Jesus PRE-EXISTED his flesh before David?

But instead we read Paul saying Jesus comes into existence by the seed of David according to the flesh, in line with John 1:14 saying the word of GOD became FLESH, as the SON of MAN Jesus.

NOWHERE is it written that Jesus was already alive with GOD in heaven and was transformed into the BABY Jesus, unless you are reading the many false modern Bible translations.

Jesus did speak figuratively by saying He came down from Heaven and simply meant He came from GOD as GOD is in heaven, just as Jesus tells us in Matthew 6:9 saying: Therefore pray you like this: 'Our Father (IN THE HEAVENS), hallowed be Your name!

Just as James 1:17 tells us:

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

We continue with scriptures confirming when Jesus first comes into existence:

Hebrews 9:26

Otherwise it was necessary for Him to have suffered repeatedly from the foundation of the world. But now He has been revealed once in the consummation of the ages for the putting away of sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Please notice in 1 Peter 1:20, how we read Jesus is NOT PRE-EXISTING, but is instead (FOREKNOWN):

having been (foreknown) indeed before the foundation of the world, but having been revealed in the last times for the sake of you,

We know how Jesus was (FOREKNOWN) in countless Bible prophecies, and in GOD's PLAN, Acts 2:23 Him delivered up by the determinate (PLAN) and (FOREKNOWLEDGE) of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands, 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the agony of death, inasmuch as it was not possible for Him to be held by it.

As we see, Jesus is (FOREKNOWN), and we don't read Jesus is PRE-EXISTING.

The sincere lovely Jehovah witnesses correctly believe Jesus is NOT GOD, but believe Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh as Michael the Angel, and yet Jesus said nothing about being Michael or an Angel, or did He ever say He was a messenger from God BEFORE He was Begotten from GOD, in the women.

(Jesus) having become by so much superior to the angels, as much as He has inherited a name more excellent beyond theirs. Hebrews 1:4

And Hebrews 1:5 and 1:6 DEFINES the plain and clear difference between GOD's Mighty Angels not being the SAME as GOD's only Begotten Son Jesus, proving Jesus was NOT Michael or an Angel.

For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"? Hebrews 1:5.

The same theme of Jesus being significantly distinguished from GOD's Mighty Angels is repeated again in Hebrews 1:13

Now to which of the angels did He ever say: "Sit at My right hand, until I may place Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet"? Hebrews 1:13.

Also, notice how the Hebrews writer tells us Jesus was BEGOTTEN AFTER the angles by GOD saying: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"?

Today I have begotten You, DEBUNKS and expose's the teachings of Jesus PRE-EXISTING His Flesh.

Just as we also read in Acts 13:33 

that God has fulfilled this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also it has been written in the second psalm: 'You are My Son, 👉(today I have begotten you).'👈

Hebrews 1:2 also confirms GOD did not talk THROUGH His Son Jesus until Jesus started His ministry after He was BORN.

in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages Hebrews 1:2

Notice also the correct word at the end of the verse saying AGES, meaning a space of time, an AGE, a time period from when Jesus was preaching, hence, in these last days, and when Jesus was appointed heir of all things, as Jesus tells us in Matthew 28:1, And having come to them, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me.

So lets be a Berean Jew and be sure not to believe everything we read, as most Trinitarians do and believe what they read without examining and searching for the correct translations and therefore are deceived. 

Hebrews 1:2 FALSE Trinitarian  translations

Therefore when you seek you will find said Jesus Matthew 7:7 and you will be above most Trinitarians and you will do yourself a great favour by overcoming the enemy's deceptions by coming to know the many false Trinitarian translations throughout the Bible, just like the many false translations of Hebrews 1:2 saying WORLDS, or UNIVERSE deceiving millions into believing GOD created the WORLD, or UNIVERSE through Jesus, therefore deceiving millions into believing Jesus was PRE-HUMAN by PRE-EXISTING His flesh, which makes yet again another FALSE CHRIST, and NOT the HUMAN true Christ.

Hebrews 1:2 false translations, (WORLD).

Non Jehovah witnesses:

There are also millions of sincere Christians who are not Jehovah witnesses who also correctly believe Jesus is not GOD, but have still been deceived into believing in the Trinitarian false teaching as MOST of Christianity believe that Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

However as we have just seen the Hebrews writer confirms Jesus was NOT an Angel, and therefore may I please ask, if Jesus  PRE-EXISTED His flesh, WHAT WAS HE?

When was Jesus the (word) of GOD?

MOST Christians believe Jesus was the (word) of GOD in John 1:1, and yet there is NO verse or teaching in the whole of the old testament saying the (word) of GOD was a second person.

We also know the (word) of GOD come's from GOD, which is why John said in John 1:1c: and the (word) was GOD.

GOD's (word) was always GOD’s divine utterance, expressing His thoughts, plan, message, command purpose and will.

And Psalm 33:6 tells us NOTHING about GOD the Father working THROUGH Jesus as a MEDIATOR or Jesus being the (word) of GOD, but INSTEAD tells us the (word) of GOD comes from the breath of GOD's mouth.

By Yahweh's word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth. Psalm 33:6.

Psalm 33:6 alone proves Jesus was NOT the (word) of GOD, but INSTEAD as John 1:14 tells us Jesus BECAME the word of GOD, just as Jesus became the WISDOM of GOD.

I was one of most DECEIVED into believing that Jesus was the word in John 1:1 and therefore Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

However, I came to the understanding of how John 1:1, 2 and 3 are again FALSE Trinitarian translations, so I thank GOD for sending me a true Bible Scholar Sir Antony Buzzard who I debated nearly everyday for 2 years, who I would not believe, and I was embarrassingly teaching Sir Antony was a false teacher, but I now know He was teaching the truth.

And thanks to countless debates I had with many unitarians, and the thousands of comments I received on my old popular you tube channel now deleted, I was able to eventually after 2 years of being presented with the Biblical facts finally come to the side of truth, putting my hands in the air and repenting and admitting I was wrong, therefore swallowing my PRIDE.

Now I now know Jesus is not in John 1:1, and being WITH GOD in the beginning, so may I ask, where was Jesus in the beginning? 

The simple answer is in 1 Peter 1:20 having been 👉 foreknown 👈indeed before the foundation of the world, but having been revealed in the last times for the sake of you,

Notice how Jesus was foreknown by being in the Bible prophecies who was predicted and foretold, but was NOT yet EXISTING.

But where we are told a GREAT saviour and Messiah would be BORN as a MAN, who would save us from our sins, because Jesus was in GODS mind, purpose and plan as precedence, to become the Lamb of GOD, therefore THROUGH Jesus GOD would wonderfully reverse the death penalty on all who take up their cross and follow the true Jesus and forever be saved.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

Romans 6:23.

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. John 3:16.

We also see in 1 Corinthians 1:30 how Jesus was made unto us wisdom from God, and not that Jesus was already the wisdom from God.

But out of Him, you are in Christ Jesus, who has been made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

In fact many translations say Jesus BECAME to us wisdom from God, again NOT that Jesus was always the wisdom from God, as we would expect to read if Jesus was pre-existing as GOD's MEDIATOR in heaven before He was BORN.

English Standard Version

And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

Most Christians especially the Jehovah witnesses believe Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus being with GOD before all creation: then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, always rejoicing before him.

Not understand by believing Proverbs 8:30 is about Jesus they are CONTRADICTING what GOD Himself said that He ALONE, BY HIMSELF created all things and never says anything about Jesus being WITH HIM by His side as we read in Isaiah 44:24 which on its own proves Jesus was NOT WITH GOD before all creation:

Berean Literal Bible

because He set a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness by a man whom He appointed, having provided a guarantee to all, having raised Him out from the dead."

 Acts 17:31.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 

1 Timothy 2:5.

Notice how we do NOT read in 1 Timothy 2:5, For there is one God, the man Christ Jesus, (WHO IS GOD or who is THREE)?

If Jesus is already GOD, why then do we need to go THROUGH Jesus to get to GOD?

As we read in Acts 17:31 and 1 Timothy 2:5 saying and confirming with what Jesus ONLY ever said that He was a MAN, and nothing about Jesus being GOD, or Jesus PRE-EXISTING His flesh, or Jesus being Michael or an Angel, or some kind of Spirit.

For most of Christianity who believe Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh, may I please ask a serious question?

We know Jesus was the second Adam, the perfect Adam, and the last MAN Adam, and as we all know Adam did NOT PRE-EXISTED His flesh.

We also know Adam was created from the dust of the earth by GOD.

Genesis 2:7

Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 

We also know Jesus is one of a kind, who was not created from the dust and had no HUMAN Father, but instead came from GOD which is why Jesus said He was GOD's Son John 10:30, but was still BORN in a women making Him a HUMAN.

John 16:28 

I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father."

And He was saying to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 

John 8:23.

The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second man from heaven. 

1 Corinthians 15:47.

If Jesus was a MAN who came down from heaven

How could Jesus a MAN with flesh and blood live in heaven?

The answer is because Paul as well as Jesus was speaking in allegories:

I have spoken these things to you in allegories; an hour is coming when I will speak to you no more in allegories, but I will report to you plainly concerning the Father. John 16:25

His disciples say, "Behold, now You speak in openness, and You do not speak allegory. 

John 16:29

Jesus even confirms to Pilate He was BORN:

John 18:37

Therefore Pilate said to Him, "Then You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this I have been (born), and for this I have come into the world, that I may bear witness to the truth. Everyone being of the truth hears My voice."

Notice how there is NOTHING by Jesus saying to Pilate He PRE- EXISTED, or was created BEFORE He was BORN as a MAN.

But we clearly see instead how Jesus confirms to Pilate how He was BORN, which confirms with what John told us in John 1:14, that Jesus was BORN as FLESH who BECAME the living, walking, physical (word) of GOD: 

And the Child continued to grow and become strong, being filled with wisdom. And the grace of God was upon Him.

 Luke 2:40

And Jesus continued to advance in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

 Luke 2:52

Notice HOW Jesus: advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God, when if Jesus was already WITH GOD before all creation or was GOD or a PRE- EXISTING being, Jesus would already HAVE ALL wisdom and stature and would NOT have to advance in wisdom and stature, think about that?

And please think about this?

If Jesus PRE-EXISTED BEFORE Adam, then Jesus would NOT be the second MAN Adam, therefore creating Bible contradictions:

The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:47.

If Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh, and was GOD, or was Michael, or was an Angel, or was some kind of Spirit, that would simply mean Jesus was NOT just like the first MAN Adam, if Jesus PRE-EXISTED BEFORE Adam, because a PRE-EXISTING being, would NOT be a MAN just like the first MAN Adam.

When we correctly understand the word of GOD, we correctly understand how there are NO such teachings saying Jesus was alive WITH GOD before all creation, or that Jesus was sent into Mary's womb to be CHANGED from a PRE-EXISTING BEING, into a baby.

For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are my Son; today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him for a Father, and He will be to Me for a Son"? 

Hebrews 1:5 

The PRE-EXISTING Jesus which most of Christianity believe in, is yet again another GREAT fabricated story inspired by false teachers not believing and understanding the true (word) of GOD, who think GOD magically transformed a PRE-EXISTING Jesus, into the second Adam, who would NOT be the second Adam if He PRE-EXISTED before Adam.

Because of those who believe Jesus is GOD manifested in the flesh, correctly understand if Jesus did not  PRE-EXIST His flesh, they therefore know Jesus could not possibly be GOD, which destroys the foundations of their own faith.

Instead, most of Christianity are not understanding the true magical part, in that GOD Almighty magically begot, and gave life to the only MAN ever without a HUMAN Father, proving GOD truly was the literal Father of Jesus, and who would be tempted more than all MEN, and who proved to be the only perfect MAN to overcome, who was GOD's beloved Only Begotten Son and chosen servant, and the prophesied Messiah who became the living, walking (word) of the Almighty One True GOD:

"Behold My servant, whom I have chosen, My beloved, in whom My soul has found delight. I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will proclaim justice to the Gentiles. 

Matthew 12:18 

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, whom I have chosen; listen to Him!" 

Luke 9:35.

We now move to the (unique) WORDS of Job 23:13, GOD is ONE BEING with NO MEDIATOR!

Fasten your seat belts, as I like to save the best part until last. 

I will now reveal to you this EXPLOSIVE statement by the prophet of GOD, in Job 23:13. 

DESTROYING ANOTHER TERRIBLE DECEPTION, that Jesus was WITH GOD as our MEDIATOR creating ALL THINGS.

Berean Study Bible

Nor is there a mediator between us, to lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:33

We clearly see how Job tells us there is NOT A MEDIATOR, and praying how we need A MEDIATOR, between GOD and MAN, which GOD so wonderfully already had known and planned, before the foundations of the world 1 Peter 1:20:

He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you.

By GODS perfect PLAN He had already known He would send His SON Jesus to be born as our perfect High Priest and MEDIATOR:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.  1 Timothy 2:5,6.    

The SIMPLE TRUTH is so obvious that Jesus was a MAN, which means Jesus could NOT have been a PRE-HUMAN being or GOD, but is the Literal SON of His ONE TRUE GOD, which is the simplest teaching in the whole Bible, and yet MOST cannot understand what is so SIMPLE, which is the simplest teaching in the whole Bible: 

We end with Jesus as: The Son of Man.

And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

John 5:27.

The Son of Man, is a direct reference to Jesus HUMAN side, as coming from the first MAN ADAM.

When Jesus said so many times He was (the Son of Man), Jesus was confirming His humanity as a MAN, hence, coming from the first human.

My research proves Jesus was continually making a distinction between Himself as being a HUMAN BEING, and NOT a pre existing being, or GOD.

Conclusion:

We know Christ means the Anointed One, Messiah, the Chosen one of GOD, who was the Only Begotten of GOD and a MAN.

There are NO teachings or prophecies saying Michael the Archangel is the chosen one of GOD, who will be transformed into the women's womb and grow as a MAN and be GOD's Messiah.

Names always have a meaning, and Christ never means Michael the Archangel.

Christ has to be 100% MAN, to be able to sympathise with MANS weaknesses so that He could be the perfect MEDIATOR between GOD and MAN, which could not be possible if Christ were a MIGHTY Angel like Michael the Archangel.

Jesus also grew in wisdom and knowledge, which would not be the case if Jesus already were a MIGHTY Angel like Michael the Archangel.

My research shows how Christ never, ever means, I am Michael the Archangel, or, I am GOD!

Or is it written Christ means I am Michael the Archangel, or, I am GOD!

The Jehovah Witnesses correctly and rightly ask Christians, where did GOD say He was Jesus, or where did Jesus say He was GOD?

I ask the Jehovah Witnesses, where did GOD, or Jesus, or the disciples, or anywhere in the Bible say Jesus is or was Michael the Archangel?

From Sir Anthony Buzzard, Bt., MA (Oxon.) MA Th. in 1981.

Simon, The best text is in Hebrews “to which of the angels did God EVER say ‘ you are my begotten Son”.  So the one thing Jesus cannot be is an angel!  Angels are of course created spirits and never came from the womb of a woman.  Jesus must be human as per Luke 1:35 and Matt 1:20  “begotten in her” ie fathered in her (Mary)

You might find of interest at our focusonthekingdom site the article “If only we had listened to Gabriel.”

The true Jesus cannot be an angel. Holy angels cannot die!  

Hope this helps,

In hope,

Anthony

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Micah 5:2.

John 1:1!

Proverbs 8:22 - 30!

Revelation 3:14!

Colossians 1:16!

Colossians 1:15!

ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?

John 8:40

John 6:38.

HEBREWS 1:1


Jesus (The SON of MAN)

a PREEXISTING Jesus

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