How Did Jesus COME DOWN From Heaven, If He Was Not In Heaven?

This Quick Facts infographic examines one of Jesus' most discussed statements in John 6:38: "I have come down from heaven." By comparing this verse with the wider context of Scripture, including the teaching about the Second Adam, the only begotten Son of God, and Jesus' own words concerning the Father, the study encourages readers to examine whether Jesus was describing a literal pre-human existence or revealing a deeper spiritual truth about His divine mission. Read the full research at https://wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com/

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How Did Jesus Come Down From Heaven If He Was Not Already in Heaven?

John 6:38

By Simon Brown

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Quick Facts

Many Christians believe that when Jesus said,

"For I have come down from heaven..." (John 6:38)

He was teaching that He personally existed in heaven before His birth.

But is that really what Jesus meant?

Before reaching that conclusion, let us first consider several important biblical facts.

Quick Facts

• Jesus is called the Last Adam, the Second Adam, and the final Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45–49; Romans 5:12–19).

• The first Adam did not exist before he became a man.

• To truly be the Second Adam, Jesus also had to be a genuine human being, sharing our nature and our temptations (Hebrews 2:14–17; Hebrews 4:15).

• Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, the promised Messiah, and the Christ—not God Himself, not Michael the Archangel, and not a pre-existent angelic being.

• Scripture repeatedly teaches that God gave His Son (John 3:16). It never says that God gave Himself.

• Jesus continually referred to the Father as His God and acknowledged that the Father is greater than He is.

• The Father alone is described by Jesus as "the only true God" (John 17:3).

• The New Testament repeatedly distinguishes one God, the Father, from one Lord, Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 8:6).

• Jesus perfectly fulfilled the role of the Second Adam because He remained faithful where the first Adam failed.

• If Jesus had literally lived as another being before becoming human, many important comparisons between Adam and Christ would require careful re-examination.

So how should we understand Jesus' words:

"I have come down from heaven"?

Did Jesus mean He was literally alive in heaven before His birth?

Or was He speaking in the figurative language that He so often used throughout His ministry?

Let us examine the Scriptures.

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Part 1 – Did Jesus Often Speak Figuratively?

One of the most important principles for understanding the words of Jesus is remembering how He taught.

Matthew tells us:

"Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables."

(Matthew 13:34–35)

Later Jesus told His disciples:

"I have spoken these things to you in figures of speech..."

(John 16:25)

Throughout His ministry Jesus frequently used metaphors, illustrations, idioms, and symbolic language.

For example:

• "I am the door."

• "I am the vine."

• "Eat My flesh."

• "Drink My blood."

• "Destroy this temple."

• "Move this mountain."

No one believes these expressions were always intended to be understood literally.

Therefore, before concluding that "came down from heaven" describes Jesus' personal existence in heaven before His birth, we should first ask whether Jesus could also have been speaking figuratively while expressing a literal truth about His divine origin.

That is exactly what we will now examine.

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Is Jesus Michael The Archangel!

Research by Simon Brown.  

10 QUICK FACTS!

1) The Jehovah Witnesses say, believe and teach Jesus is  Michael the Archangel, So lets start off with the best 10 reasons why I believe Jesus CANNOT possibly be Michael the Archangel.

We know Jesus DIED, as He confirmed in Revelation 1:17-18.

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though dead. And He placed His right hand upon me, saying, "Fear not. I am the First and the Last,

and the Living One. And I was dead, and behold I am living to the ages of the ages, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

As Jesus DIED, this simply PROVES Jesus could NOT possibly be Michael the Archangel, simply because GOD's Holy angels cannot die!  Yet we know Jesus DIED. 

2) Yahweh The One True GOD confirms countless times how He alone, by himself created the world as in scriptures like Isaiah 44:24, and Isaiah 40:28.

3) Jesus Himself, never, ever, claims He was with His Father GOD at the creation of the world, or that GOD created all things through Him, but instead Jesus confirms how His Father alone created Adam and Eve as seen in Matthew 19:4 

And answering He said, "Have you not read that the 👉(One) 👈having created from the beginning 'made them male and female.

Notice the 👉(One) 👈 as for the (One) true Father GOD alone, on His own!

Matthew 19:4 also debunks the Trinity!

4) Jesus holds the unique titles as the New Adam, the Second Adam, the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:45-49,Romans 5:12-19.

As we know Adam was a MAN, who did not pre-exist His flesh, and so the Second Adam Jesus came, who is the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, who also MUST be a MAN like the first Adam, and who did not pre exist his flesh like the first Adam.

If Jesus were GOD or Michael The Archangel, or some kind of  pre-existing Spirit, He would not be a true MAN, and the Second Adam Jesus, or the Christ.

With all that in mind, proves Jesus could not have pre-existed.

And this is why I believe it is essential to know the true Christ, as Jesus tells us in John 17:3.

5) Another great title of Jesus as, the Son of Man!

The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: 30 times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, 25 times in Luke and 12 times in John.[3][7] 

3. Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in Earliest Christianity by Larry W. Hurtado, ISBN 0-8028-3167-2 Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2005 pages 290-293

7.The Son of Man by Chrys C. Caragounis 1986 ISBN 3-16-144963-0 page 145-147

At this stage I can say, we know when Jesus said He was (the SON of MAN) He was referring to an amazing Old Testament Prophecy of Himself, and a messianic title derived from the Book of Daniel 7:13-14.

And as the first Women Eve was taken from the First MAN Adam, this confirms WHY Jesus so often called Himself (The Son of MAN), as Jesus was affirming His human form, and is affirming his humanity, as a MAN.

As Adam means MAN, and Jesus was BORN as a HUMAN, John 1:14, this explains WHY Christ is called (the Son of Man) as the entire HUMAN line of descent is traced back to the first MAN Adam, hence the term, Christ is called (the Son of Man), traced back to the first MAN Adam, is being recalled.

The Son of Man, is a direct reference to Jesus as coming from the first MAN ADAM.

When Jesus said so many times He was (the Son of Man), Jesus was confirming His humanity as a MAN, hence, the first human.

My research proves Jesus was continually making a distinction between Himself as being a HUMAN BEING, and NOT a pre existing being, or GOD.

6) Jesus is never, ever, called a pre existing being, but always as a MAN as FLESH, Zechariah 6:12, John 1:14, Acts 2:22, John 8:40, 1 Timothy 2:5 Berean Literal Bible

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, 👉 the man 👈 Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was made of dust from the earth, the second 👉 man 👈 from heaven.

Did you notice how we do not read in 1 Corinthians 15:47 that the second man from heaven was an Angel?

And did you also notice how the word of GOD often talks FIGURATIVELY, because we read Paul saying Jesus was the second  man from heaven.

Well, as we know, flesh and blood or MAN, CANNOT live in heaven.

Many are confused with the Bibles teaching of Jesus coming DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

Not understanding that Jesus and the word of GOD often spoke in parables and in a figure of speech, metaphor's, idioms, and symbolic meanings, 

as Jesus said in John 16:25 until the end of his ministry.

7) Jesus is always plainly and clearly IDENTIFIED:

He is called Jesus, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:25, Luke 1:31, the Lamb of GOD John 1:29, Saviour and Christ, "the Anointed One", Lord, and Messiah Luke 2:11, Matthew 16:16, Matthew 16:20.

the SON of GOD John 10:36, Matthew 16:16, Revelation 2:18,  the Only Begotten Son of GOD, John 1:18, John 3:16, Immanuel Matthew 1:23.23, the  bread of life John 6:35.5, the living bread that came down from heaven. John 6:51, the light of the world John 8:23, John 9:5, the Son of Man John 8:28, the door, John 10:9, the good shepherd. 

The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:11, the resurrection and the life John 11:25, the way, and the truth, and the life John 14:6, the true vine  John 15:1, the Messenger of great counsel Isaiah 9:6, the Greek Septuagint, the First and the Last Revelation 1:18, the messenger of the church in Smyrna Revelation 2:8, the Holy One, the True One, Revelation 3:7, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of God’s creation Revelation 3:14.

As we have seen, there are many GREAT names and Titles for Jesus, but NOT a single word saying Jesus is a pre-existing Angel, or that His name is called Saint Michael, or that He is Michael the Archangel, or that He pre-existed as a Spirit being, or that He is called GOD Almighty. 

8) Jesus is not mentioned in Hebrew 1:1, but only: God, having spoken long ago to our fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways.

And so Hebrews 1:1 proves Jesus was not yet in existence, until His arrival in Hebrews 1:2👉 in these last days👈 has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages.

9) We now move to the (unique) WORDS of Job 23:13, GOD is ONE BEING with NO MEDIATOR!

Job 9:33 tells us: Nor is there a mediator between us, to lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:33

We clearly see how Job tells us there is NOT A MEDIATOR, and praying how we need A MEDIATOR, between GOD and MAN, which GOD so wonderfully already had known and planned, before the foundations of the world 1 Peter 1:20.

10) In Hebrews 1:4,5 we read how Jesus is much superior to the angels, and For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are my Son; today I have begotten You”? 6 And again, when He brings the Firstborn into the world, He says: “And let all God’s angels worship Him.” Please notice there, how Angels worship Jesus, and not Angels worshiping Michael The Archangel.

In fact in Revelation 22:8,9, we read how John was told NOT to worship the Angels: