WHY Colossians 1:16 is NOT about the Genesis Creation

My update on Colossians 1:16!

Berean Study Bible  Colossians 1:16

For in Him (Jesus) all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Most of Christianity believe Paul is saying and teaching: (All Things), is referring to (All Things) that has been created, from the very beginning of GODS creation, hence, like the earth, planets, heavens, and ALL life, as told in Genesis 1:

World English Bible

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Hezekiah prayed before Yahweh, and said, “Yahweh, the God of Israel, who are enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, even you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

Notice how we read in 2 Kings 19:15, how GOD The Father is GOD ALONE, who created the Genesis creation BY HIMSELF, ALONE, ON HIS OWN, as we read in Isaiah 44:24

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If we believe what most of Christianity believe, that Jesus created ALL THINGS, or that GOD created ALL THINGS through Jesus, then we are simply CONTRADICTING the word of GOD, who says over, and over again, how He (YAHWEH GOD) ALONE, BY HIMSELF created the Genesis creation.

On the other hand, we do know the word of GOD teaches us how ALL THINGS were created IN GOD's PLAN, WITH Jesus FIRST (IN) Order, Precedence, Purpose, and RANK, before the foundation of the world, as Jesus was ''FOREKNOWN'' as we read in John 1:15, John 1:30, John 8:58, 1 Peter 1:20, 

having been 👉 foreknown👈 indeed before the foundation of the world, but having been revealed in the last times for the sake of you,

But notice how we are told by 1 Peter 1:20 how Jesus was 👉 FOREKNOWN, 👈 but NOT, PREEXISTING!

Acts 2:23 also confirms this saying: Him delivered up by the determinate plan and foreknowledge of God, you put to death, having crucified Him by lawless hands,

However, may I demonstrate how Paul is not teaching anything about the material world, that Jesus created the Genesis creation, or that GOD created the material world through Jesus as most of Christianity believe, making this yet again another deception and confusion within modern Christianity today.

 Colossians 1:16

For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Firstly, did you notice how there is nothing said by Paul saying: the earth itself, or the planets, and the heaven itself, or created beings were created, as we were told what was created in Genesis 1.

I)  Paul does not mention the Genesis creation.

2) Paul does not mention THE HEAVENS Itself.

3) Paul is referring to what is (IN) the HEAVENS, NOT the HEAVEN itself, indicating the Heavens were ALREADY there.

4) Paul does not mention THE EARTH ITSELF, but instead, what is, (ON) the EARTH, indicating the EARTH was ALREADY there.

The next question is, what is (IN) the HEAVENS, and (ON) the EARTH?

The answer is IN the next statement by Paul saying: visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities.  

Lets have a look at what we can learn from the meaning of: thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities.

In the Strong's Concordance

thronos: a throne

Original Word: θρόνος, ου, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: thronos

Phonetic Spelling: (thron'-os)

Definition: a throne

Usage: a (king's) throne, seat; meton: power, dominion; a potentate.

Strong's Concordance

kuriotés: lordship

Original Word: κυριότης, τητος, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: kuriotés

Phonetic Spelling: (koo-ree-ot'-ace)

Definition: lordship

Usage: (a) abstr: lordship, (b) concr: divine or angelic lordship, domination, dignity, usually with reference to a celestial hierarchy.

Strong's Concordance

arché: beginning, origin

Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: arché

Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')

Definition: beginning, origin

Usage: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.

HELPS Word-studies

746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Strong's Concordance

exousia: power to act, authority

Original Word: ἐξουσία, ας, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: exousia

Phonetic Spelling: (ex-oo-see'-ah)

Definition: power to act, authority

Usage: (a) power, authority, weight, especially: moral authority, influence, (b) in a quasi-personal sense, derived from later Judaism, of a spiritual power, and hence of an earthly power.

HELPS Word-studies

1849 eksousía (from 1537 /ek, "out from," which intensifies 1510 /eimí, "to be, being as a right or privilege") – authority, conferred power; delegated empowerment ("authorization"), operating in a designated jurisdiction.

In the NT, 1849 /eksousía ("delegated power") refers to the authority God gives to His saints – authorizing them to act to the extent they are guided by faith (His revealed word).

As we plainly and clearly see and read, Paul is talking about the thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities IN the HEAVEN, and ON the EARTH, when Jesus went to heaven all authorities and powers were given to Jesus.

Paul is referring to what Jesus told us in Matthew 28:18

And having come to them, Jesus spoke to them, saying, 👉 "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me.👈

Conclusion:

As we have seen in Colossians 1:16, Paul is NOT talking about the Genesis Creation, but: 👉 All authority 👈in heaven and on the earth which was given to Jesus.

And this is confirmed in many more teachings in the Bible as below:

Ephesians 1:

 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will according to His pleasure, which He purposed in Him 10 for the administration of the fullness of the times, to bring together all things in Christ— 👉 the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth. 👈

Ephesians 1:

 20 which He worked in Christ, having raised Him out from the dead, and 👉 having set Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 above every principality and authority and power and dominion, 👈 and every name being named, not only in this age, but also in the one coming.

Ephesians 1:10

Berean Literal Bible

for the administration of the fullness of the times, to bring together all things in Christ-- 👉 the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth--👈

1 Corinthians 15:24

then the end, when He shall hand over the kingdom to the God and Father, 👉when He shall have annulled all dominion, and all authority and power. 👈

Ephesians 1:20

20 which He worked in Christ, having raised Him out from the dead, 👉 and having set Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, 👈 not only in this age, but also in the one coming. 22 And He put all things under His feet and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of the One filling all in all.

This concludes the doctrine in which most believe that says Paul was teaching all things within the Genesis Creation was created by or through Jesus, is yet again another false doctrine and a deception, deceiving most into believing in a false PRE-HUMAN Christ, or some kind of pre-existing Spirit being or Angel.

Which therefore DENIES the true Man and Christ, and DENIES GOD the Father as GOD ALONE, and the creator ALONE, as said by GOD in many scriptures like Isaiah 44:24

World English Bible

Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb says: “I am Yahweh, who makes all things;👉 who alone 👈 stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth 👉 by myself; 👈

To say and believe what most of Christianity say and believe and teach, that Jesus is the creator of the Genesis Creation, or GOD created all the Genesis Creation THROUGH Jesus, is CONTRADICTING and DENYING what the Father of creation tells us throughout His word.

Notice in just some Scriptures below, how we never read there was a second or third person WITH GOD creating the Genesis Creation:

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Job 12:10

in whose hand is the life of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind?

Job 33:4 

The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Psalm 102:25

Of old, you laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the work of your hands.

Acts 17:24,25

The God having made the world and all things that are in it, He being Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in hand-made temples, nor is He served by hands of men as needing anything, Himself giving to all life and breath and everything.

Revelation 1:5, PROVES Jesus Is NOT The FIRST person to EXIST!

Introduction:

By Simon Brown.

Dear friends, thank you for joining me again, as I tell you about my latest insights and research on the book of Revelation.

What I believe the best teacher in the world, teaches me, I would like to share with you.

Very sadly, not many people know Him, but I know Him, and His name is Jesus, The Son of The One True GOD John 10:36.

I am at present digging deep into ''Revelations'' with thorough examinations, while seeking, and researching and asking Jesus for wisdom from GOD regarding probably the most complicated book in the Holy Bible called the Book of Revelation.

Lets start at the Beginning of The Book of Revelation.

Please be kind to me, by letting me know if you believe I am wrong, as I am not in anyway perfect, and I know next to nothing, as I am always seeking, listening and learning with an open heart and mind, always discovering what I did not know.

I always like to stay in my own field, and stick to what I do know, like knowing the simple teachings in the Bible, that Jesus truly is the SON of His ONE TRUE GOD.

I have been deceived too many times, and enough is enough.

Now I walk upright, always denying myself, I feel GOD is telling me to broaden my field, and take the leap into The Book of Revelation, an Apocalypse, where John has Symbolic Visions and gives the Seven churches  Symbolic Imagery, of the end times and completion of GOD's New Kingdom through Christ.

We know about the past, please now follow me in my research to discover the future, and be ready for the next greatest events in history, where we will understand and see the last days and the end times of the Bible prophecies unfolding before our eyes preparing ourselves to be ready as the wise virgins, instead of the foolish virgins!

◄ Revelation 1 ►

Berean Standard Bible

Prologue

(Daniel 12:1–13)

1 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

Revelation 1:5, PROVES Jesus Is NOT The FIRST person to EXIST!

There are many within Christianity like the Jehovah witnesses, who say Jesus was the FIRST ever person to EXIST BEFORE all creation.

They will site their main scripture of Colossians 1:15 saying: Berean Literal Bible

He is the image of the invisible God, 

👉the firstborn over all creation.👈

And so many misunderstand Paul by believing Paul was teaching Jesus is the FIRST ever person to EXIST BEFORE all creation.

But notice what we read in the opening book of Revelation 1:

John Greets the Seven Churches

 To the seven churches in Asia:

4 Grace to you and peace from Him being and who was and who is coming, and from the seven Spirits before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, 👉 the firstborn of the dead, 👈 and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Did you see that: Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

This verse alone proves how Jesus is NOT the FIRST EVER PERSON TO EXIST, as taught by many like the JWS, who say Jesus is the FIRST ever person to EXIST BEFORE all creation.

Did you notice how there is NO MENTION by John what so ever about Jesus being the FIRST EVER PERSON TO EXIST.

Would not, John saying Jesus was the first ever to  EXIST, of GOD's creation be a most important fact to reveal?

But instead John tells us how Jesus is (The Firstborn of The Dead), Revelations 1:4.

WHY would John NOT say or tell us how Jesus PRE-EXISTED His flesh, as the FIRST EVER PERSON TO EXIST, if that doctrine were true, as many claim?

In fact, what John does tell us in Revelation 1:5, by saying NOTHING about Jesus being the FIRST EVER PERSON TO EXIST, not only confirms with what Paul wrote in Colossians 1:15 saying Jesus is the firstborn over all creation.

But proves that Paul did NOT mean what many believe, that Jesus is the FIRST EVER PERSON TO EXIST.

And confirms Paul meant what John said and meant, as we are told in Revelation 1:4, that Jesus is (The Firstborn of The Dead) and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

WHY Jesus did not Pre-exist His flesh!

Most Christians believe Jesus is GOD.

But that's not possible, simply because GOD cannot die, yet Jesus died.

Please don't be fooled in believing Jesus is both GOD and MAN, as there are no such teachings throughout the Bible.

Jesus said how GOD is SPIRIT.

Yes, we know GOD was IN Jesus, as a Father and Son, who act as ONE.

GOD being in His SON makes TWO SEPARATE beings, and NOT ONE GOD.

As GOD was IN Jesus that proves Jesus is not GOD, and if Jesus Pre-existed His flesh, then He must have been some kind of Holy Spirit being, or a Holy Angel of GOD.

However, that's also not possible, simply because Holy Spirit's of GOD, or GOD's Holy Angels also cannot die, yet Jesus died.

On top of them simple Biblical facts, as The First MAN Adam did not pre- exist his flesh, the same case has to apply to Jesus, the second and last perfect Adam, who also could not, and did not pre- exist His flesh.

The final witness that Jesus was NOT GOD, or some kind of pre-human, or a pre-existing Spirit being, or an Angel, is seen in Hebrews 1, and there we see how Jesus: 4 having become by so much superior to the angels, as much as He has inherited a name more excellent beyond theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are my Son;

today I have begotten You”?

And again:

“I will be to Him for a Father,

and He will be to Me for a Son”?

6 And again, when He brings the Firstborn into the world, He says:

“And let all God’s angels worship Him.”

There in Hebrews 1: we see how Jesus inherited a name more excellent beyond Spirit beings or Angels, proving He was NOT a pre - existing being or an Angel.

Lastly, I like to save the best till last.

Jesus has a Title like no other, as the (ONLY BEGOTTEN SON) of the ONE TRUE GOD, John 1:18 John 3:16.

If Jesus Pre-existed His flesh, He would be some kind of Spirit being, or an Angel, but Spirit beings or Angels were created by GOD.

On the other hand, Jesus was NOT created from the DUST, and has no human Father, as He declared, He came from GOD, and GOD is His Father, and this is why there is NO other MAN, or Spirit being, or Angel, who is called the (ONLY BEGOTTEN SON) of the ONE TRUE GOD.

These simple facts, prove how MOST of Christianity are deceived, into believing in a false pre- existing Christ, who is NOT the TRUE MAN and the true Christ Jesus, of GOD.

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How Did Jesus COME DOWN From Heaven, If He Was Not In Heaven?

John 6:38

For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

Quick Facts:

Dear friends, firstly, may I please explain some of many and main reasons why I believe Jesus did not pre-exist His flesh.

Jesus holds the unique titles as the New Adam, the Second Adam, the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:45-49,Romans 5:12-19.

As we know Adam was a MAN, who did not pre-exist His flesh, who was a perfect MAN, made in the image of GOD, but fell.

And so came the Second Adam Jesus, for-filling all prophecies, who was the Image and the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, and was no ordinary MAN, because He was also the Lamb, and the living, walking physical Word of GOD, making Him the Only Begotten of GOD, who is the Living BREAD that last's for ever when we eat this LIFE giving BREAD that came DOWN from Heaven.

He is the Last Adam, the Final Adam or the Ultimate Adam, who did not fall, but did the whole will of GOD, and overcame all temptations, making Jesus the perfect Adam, so that He could be the Only and perfect Mediator between GOD and MAN, as Jesus was the Only perfect SON of MAN Begotten of GOD.

In order to be the Last and perfect Adam, He had to be a MAN like the first Adam, who did not pre exist his flesh like the first Adam.

If Jesus were GOD or Michael The Archangel, or some kind of  pre-existing Spirit, He would not be a true MAN, or the Second Adam, or the Christ, or the Messiah, or the Only Begotten SON of GOD.

Christ never did mean, I AM GOD, or an Angel who was reincarnated, but instead is the Anointed One, the Messiah of GOD, who is sitting down at the right hand of the Majesty, One True Almighty GOD in heaven.

If Jesus were GOD, how then would Jesus sit down next to GOD?

If Jesus were GOD, who we know is the Anointed One of GOD, then He would be the Anointed One of Himself.

If Jesus were GOD, then He would be the Son of Himself.

As Jesus has a GOD then how is Jesus that same GOD?

The One True GOD, does not have a One True GOD, so how is Jesus the One True GOD, when He said our GOD was His GOD?

This is why The One True GOD is called The One True GOD, because to be The One True GOD means what is says, and means to be ONE PERSON who is GOD alone, on his own, with no other GOD next to Him. 

Isaiah 45:5

 I am Yahweh, and there is no one else. Besides me, there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not known me,

Now, when did GOD, ever say to Himself, or the Angels, “Sit at My right hand, until I may place Your enemies as a footstool for Your feet”?

This MAN the christ Jesus was the WORD ''OF'' 👉GOD.👈John 1:14.

Where as GOD is 👉The WORD.👈 John 1:1.

GOD did NOT become flesh.

GOD cannot die, Jesus died.

The Word of GOD became flesh John 1:14.

GOD GAVE His SON John 3:16.

GOD did not give Himself which is a false Gospel denying the Father and the SON.

On top of that, if Jesus were GOD, or Michael The Archangel, or some kind of  pre-existing Spirit, how could He Sympathise with our weaknesses?

And this is why Jesus could not be anything else except 100% HUMAN, as we are told in Hebrews 4:15 Berean Literal Bible

For we do not have a high priest not being able to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one having been tempted in all things by the same way, without sin.

Hebrews 2:17

Therefore it behooved Him to be made like the brothers in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, in order to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Therefore, since the children have partaken of blood and of flesh, He also likewise took part in the same things, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death, that is, the devil. Hebrews 2:14

With all that in mind, I believe, what most do not believe, that these very important facts out of many, prove Jesus could not have pre-existed His flesh.

These two very important facts out of many, would then mean the enemy has deceived most of Christianity into believing in another false Christ, as with a pre-existing Christ, who is not a true HUMAN and the True Christ Jesus.

We MUST overcome, by doing our home work, and studying, so that we will believe in the true HUMAN Christ Jesus, because as we read: the devil and Satan, deceiving the whole inhabited world. Revelation 12:9.

Note what 1 John 5:5 tells us: Now who is the one overcoming the world, except 👉the one believing 👈that Jesus is the Son of God?

Did you see that, as we do NOT read what most say and believe that we MUST believe Jesus is GOD, but that: the one 👉overcoming👈 the world, except the one believing that 👉Jesus is the Son of God?👈

Revelation 2:26

👉And the one overcoming👈 and keeping My works until the end, I will give to him authority over the nations.

Revelation 3:21

👉The one overcoming,👈 I will give to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

As we read, how we MUST 👉overcome👈 the enemy, by believing in the true HUMAN and Christ Jesus. 

And this is why I believe this is essential to know the true SON of MAN and Christ, as Jesus tells us in John 17:3, this is eternal life!

But HOW then did Jesus COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, IF HE WAS NOT IN HEAVEN, in the first place?

Well may I tell you what I believe?

Jesus spoke in Parables and in a figure of speech, as He told us in Matthew 13:34-35, and John 16:25.

Please see my FULL article below!

And if we examine what Jesus said and taught, I believe we discover Jesus was speaking BOTH, literally and Figuratively.

Lets have a quick LOOK!

Jesus said in John 8:42, John 7:28 ,John 13:3, John 16:27, John 16:28, John 16:30, how He CAME from GOD His Father. 

Please see the full Scriptures in the FULL article below!

And as we know Jesus also taught us how His Father GOD is in the HEAVENS, and we know the HEAVENS are not in the earth but above the earth, Matthew 6:9: Therefore pray you like this: 'Our Father 👉in the heavens,👈

Therefore, if we put the "two together" that Jesus is from GOD, and GOD is in the HEAVENS, what do we come up with?

Well, as Jesus is from GOD, and GOD is in the HEAVENS, and Jesus is FROM GOD who is IN the HEAVENS, that must conclude Jesus CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF THE HEAVENS.

And so this is LITERAL.

But on the other hand, as Jesus did not pre-exist His flesh, and was not literally ALIVE in HEAVEN WITH GOD, that would conclude Jesus was also talking FIGURATIVELY, when He said: 

For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me. John 6:38

So I believe Jesus was talking BOTH, LITERALLY and FIGURATIVELY, because Jesus DID come DOWN from GOD who is in the heavens, but Jesus was NOT ALIVE with GOD in the HEAVENS.

And as Jesus said in John 8:23 "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

I believe this is again BOTH LITERAL and a FIGURE of speech.

Because, Jesus was NOT made from the DUST of the earth as Adam was, but was Begotten by the power and Spirit of GOD that came DOWN out of HEAVEN, and so He is NOT from this earthly world, making this LITERAL.

But again as Jesus was NOT ALIVE in the HEAVENS WITH GOD, Before He was BORN, but was Begotten in the woman's womb, then this is also a FIGURE of speech.

As Bible Scholar Sir Anthony Buzzard said: how all good things come from GOD above, as we read in James 1:17,

Every good act of giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of shifting. 

Note, every perfect gift is from 👉above, coming down from the Father of lights,👈 just as GOD gave us His SON that CAME DOWN from GOD ABOVE: For God so loved the world that 👉He GAVE👈 the only begotten Son, (GOD DID NOT GIVE HIMSELF, but HIS Son) so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.

Well that's what I believe, but what do you believe?

FULL ARTICLE:

Most of Christianity are very confused and deceived into believing in a PRE-EXISTING Christ, who they say was WITH GOD before He was Begotten and BORN in the woman's womb, all because of what Jesus said by saying: HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, as we read in scriptures like John 16:25, John 8:23, John 3:13, John 3:31, John 6:38, John 8:23.

So in this short article, if you don't mind, can I, little old me, an ordinary man off the street, help out by sharing with you what I now know Jesus meant when He said in verses like John 8:23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

The question is, did Jesus mean He was ALIVE in Heaven with GOD, before He CAME DOWN from GOD who is in Heaven?

Was Jesus talking literally?

Well, the simple answer is found in Matthew 13:34-35.

34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables, and He was not speaking to them without a parable, 35 so that it might be fulfilled that having been spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the world.”

When Jesus also said: DRINK my BLOOD and EAT my FLESH, was He talking literally? 

◄ John 6 ►

Berean Literal Bible

52 Therefore the Jews were arguing with one another, saying, “How is this man able to give us His flesh to eat?”

53 Therefore Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you shall have eaten the flesh of the Son of Man, and shall have drunk His blood, you do not have life in yourselves. 54 The one eating My flesh and drinking My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

56 The one eating My flesh and drinking My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one feeding on Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread having come down from heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. The one eating this bread will live to the age.”

Was Jesus teaching cannibalism? Well, of course not.

Jesus always spoke in parables and in a figure of speech, metaphor's, idioms, as He said in John 16:25 until the end of his ministry Berean Literal Bible

I have spoken these things to you👉 in allegories; 👈an hour is coming when I will speak to you 👉no more in allegories, 👈but I will report to you plainly concerning the Father.

Now, the BREAD of GOD, is the WORD of GOD, that comes DOWN from GOD who is in HEAVENS Matthew 6:9.

And as Jesus is the WORD of GOD, and the WORD of GOD is the BREAD of GOD that gives life, which is the food that last's for ever, and the Spirit of GOD came DOWN from GOD out of Heaven and Jesus came from the Spirit of GOD that came down from GOD, then Jesus came DOWN from GOD out of Heaven. Luke 1:35. Matthew 3:17

So it's both a figure of speech and literal.

John 8:42

Berean Literal Bible

Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would have loved Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for not even have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

John 7:28

Therefore Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, "You know Me and you know where I am from. And I have not come of Myself, but the One having sent Me is true, whom you do not know.

John 13:3

knowing that the Father has given Him all things into the hands, and that He came forth from God and He is going to God,

John 16:27

For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from God.

John 16:28

I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father."

John 16:30

Now we know that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should ask You. In this we believe that You came forth from God."

As we read, Jesus is from GOD.

Jesus simply meant as He came from GOD, and not from the DUST as Adam did, and so He is NOT from this world, but is literally from GOD as He always taught, and as GOD is in heaven, then (figuratively) Jesus is from HEAVEN, which is why Jesus said He CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

Notice what Jesus said, and WHERE our Father is in Matthew 6:9:

Therefore pray you like this: 'Our Father 👉in the heavens,👈 hallowed be Your name! Matthew 6:9

As we know Jesus is from GOD, and GOD is 👉in the heavens👈 and so therefore this is why Jesus CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, which is also a figure of speech as He said in John 16:25.

We should all know how the Bible very often talks FIGURATIVELY, in SYMBOLIC meanings, parables and in a figure of speech, metaphor's and idioms, and also has literal meanings as Jesus is (The Son Of GOD) John 10:36.

Example:

Jesus said in Matthew 17:20 Berean Literal Bible

And He said to them, "Because of your little faith. For truly I say to you, if you have faith as of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. And nothing will be impossible for you."

As we know, we humans CANNOT move mountains, and so this is simply a phrase, an expression, “to move mountains” as a metaphor!

But also knowing nothing is impossible with GOD, in that if we are truly in Him the ONE TRUE GOD, and in His One True Christ, they are in and with us, as GOD was with Moses, and in Jesus.

So, all though it is literal that Jesus came from GOD, and as GOD is in the heavens, and so Jesus came down from GOD who is in the heavens, this is also a figure of speech.

Notice in Luke 1:35 how "The Holy Spirit came DOWN FROM GOD out of heaven upon Mary, which is the power of the Most High GOD:

And the angel answering, said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore also the Holy One being born will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:35. Matthew 3:17.

With all that in mind, I would now like to reveal what Jesus did NOT say about being in HEAVEN, and Going BACK to Heaven, or RETURNING to Heaven, as we would expect Jesus to say if it were true, that is, if Jesus was already in Heaven, before He was Born on the earth.

We read in John 13:3, English Standard Version

Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going 👉(back) 👈to God,

And we also read in John 16:28 New Living Translation

Yes, I came from the Father into the world, and now I will leave the world and 👉(return)👈 to the Father.”

However, did you know, the words saying: (return or going back) are FALSE, as they are NOT in the oldest Greek Bibles, and are DECEIVING MOST into believing Jesus was alive WITH GOD before He was BORN as a MAN in the womb of Mary.

Please see my article below: John 13:3, and John 16:28 FALSE TRINITARIAN TRANSLATIONS.

In John 17:5 we read Jesus saying: And now glorify Me, You Father, with Yourself, with the glory that I had with You before the world existed. BLB.

 John 17:5 is also misunderstood by most of Christianity who believe Jesus was saying He existed with GOD before the world existed.

But the truth is Jesus is not talking about being ALIVE WITH GOD before the world existed. 

Jesus is instead referring to GLORY, before the world existed. 

NOT existing with GOD before the world existed. 

BLB

And what is that GLORY before the world existed?

I would like to close this article by finishing with: The Trinity Delusion, as I could not explain John 17:5 any better myself.

Bare in mind, the The Trinity Delusion, website is exposing the TRINITY, and so therefore is aimed at Trinitarian false teachings.

The Immediate Context

The Trinitarian interpretation of John 17:4 ignores the immediately preceding context. Carefully regard what Jesus is talking about in the preceding verses:

Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You.... I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given me to do. Now, Father, glorify me together alongside Yourself, to that the glory I had...

Jesus tells us that he had glorified the Father on earth. How did he do this? The Gospel of John makes it quite clear to us. The Father abiding in Jesus did the works (14:10). Jesus glorified the Father in terms of the works he did in the name of the Father (5:43). Having glorified the Father (17:4), he then asks the Father to glorify him (17:5). The works Jesus did manifested his glory (2:11). Jesus said he did not glorify himself in terms of who he was but it was his Father who glorified him (8:54). This is because the Father abiding in him did the works (14:10) and in this way "the glory that comes from the only God" are those works Jesus was saying and going (5:43-44). In this way, the Father was glorified in him (12:28; 17:4), glorified in terms of the works Jesus did since he came in his Father's name to do the Father's works (10:32) and the Father abiding in him did those works.

Note also how Jesus is asking to be glorified so that he will glorify the Father in that glorification. Additionally, notice how Jesus said that he glorified the Father on the earth in verse 17:4. Now compare this fact with the following:

"to that glory I had before the world."

The glory which Jesus had alongside (para) the Father before the world isn't referring to a glory which Jesus had before the creation of the heavens and the earth. He is referring to the glory he had alongside (para) the Father in terms of the works he was doing before the people of the world (17:4), those who hated Jesus and the disciples who are not of the world.

I speak the things which I have seen para my Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard para your father. 8:38

How can you believe, when you receive glory para one another and you do not seek the glory that is para the one and only God? 5:44

Now they have come to know that everything You have given me is para You. 17:7.

7. Summary: Translation

The facts show us that John's words are being entirely misconstrued by Trinitarian interpreters. Jesus' words, (lit.) "and now glorify me You Father alongside you to that glory I had before the the world to be alongside you" mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory he had alongside the Father in terms of the works he did before the world who hates Jesus and his disciples. These works manifested his glory and glorified the Father who was abiding in him doing the works and who glorified Jesus in this manner concerning these works. At John 17:5, Jesus wants to be glorified to that glory which he had alongside Father before the world who hated him when he did those works and which glory is "to be (einai) alongside You"

Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son likewise does. 5:19.

Conclusion

Jesus was the Lamb who had been slain from the foundation of the world. Trinitarians and everyone else knows this does not mean a crucifixion event pre-existed. It is referring to God's predestination and His predestined things are realities from the foundation of the world since He has been finished all His works from the foundation of the world. And He also set the times and seasons these realities will be manifested in our time and space of creation.

If we accept a typical Trinitarian translation of this verse, the Scriptural facts show us that the Trinitarian claim here is unwarranted. The Scripture speaks of Christians who were chosen before the foundation of the world and who had grace given to them before the times of the ages. This language does not mean the self consciously pre-existed yet at John 17:5 this is what Trinitarians are claiming such language necessarily means when the Scriptures show us plainly that this is incorrect.

But the Trinitarian claim has even more problems. A simple review of the context, and the word "world" in this context, shows that Trinitarians are entirely off base. At John 17:4, Jesus is referring to how he glorified the Father in terms of the works he was doing. And since the Father abiding in Jesus did the works (14:10), the Father glorified Jesus in terms of the works he was doing (5:44; 8:54). The facts force us to interpret the Greek text of John 17:5 to mean that Jesus is asking to be glorified to that glory, that is, the glory he had with the Father in terms of the works the Father did through him.

The Lamb who had been slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8.

Full article by The Trinity Delusion HERE: https://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/john17_5.html

Also read John 6:38 by The Trinity Delusion.

Please see my related articles below:

John 6:38. How Did Jesus COME DOWN From Heaven If He Did NOT PRE-EXIST His flesh?

The Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Teaching of John 1:1!

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 John 1: 

Read About The Most Misunderstood Scripture within Christianity!

The Jehovah’s Witnesses correctly understand Jesus is not GOD and that GOD the Father is GOD ALONE.

But what do The Jehovah’s Witnesses say, believe and teach about John 1:1.

Lets have a look!

Their own translation reads:

As we have read and seen, how The Jehovah’s Witnesses say, believe and teach how John 1:1, is referring to Jesus.

And their own translations says Jesus is (a God), and NOT THE GOD.

Lets now see if The Jehovah’s Witnesses Teaching of John 1:1 is Right or Wrong.

The correct translation of John 1:1 tells us in the: Berean Literal Bible

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The first and obvious mistake in the modern translations of John 1:1 is what my good teacher and Professor, Bible scholar taught me Sir Anthony Buzzard.

Notice how the Word has been ''CAPITALISED'' deceiving many into believing the WORD is a second person in John 1:1.

Most good Bible scholars and students know how the Greek New Testament translations were written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS with no spaces and probably no punctuation's.

Making the (Word) into CAPITAL LETTERS, is deceiving us into thinking there is a second person in John 1:1.

The next and obvious fact is that John 1:1 to 1:5 is not referring to Jesus, but to GOD the Father alone.

This is seen by simply going back to Genesis 1.

Berean Standard Bible

The Creation

(John 1:1–5; Hebrews 11:1–3)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

So as we read in the (word) of GOD, John 1:1 is referring to GOD the Father 's (word) in Genesis 1.

And this is confirmed in Psalm 33:6:

By Yahweh’s (word,) the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth. World English Bible.

Notice how Jesus tells us how the (word) comes from the mouth of GOD: But answering He said, "It has been written: 'The man shall live not by bread alone, but by every word coming out of the mouth of God.'" Matthew 4:4.

Did you also see how there is NO SECOND PERSON in Genesis 1, or in Psalm 33:6.

In fact there is never, ever a SECOND PERSON throughout the whole old testament who is said to also be involved in the creation of the world.

We only ever read throughout the whole old testament about ONE PERSON ALONE, who is Yahweh alone, the One True GOD alone, and The Father of creation alone.

Never, ever, is there a second, or third person mentioned being involved in the creation of the world.

Next Biblical fact?

GOD The Father and the SON, always say how GOD The Father was the creator alone.

Example:

Isaiah 44:24 tells us how Yahweh GOD created all things ALONE, BY HIMSELF: Yahweh, who makes all things; who ALONE stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth BY MYSELF.

It's also worth noting, if Jesus were truly GOD, or that Jesus was WITH GOD at creation, that would even ''contradict'' Jesus own teachings when Jesus prayed to His Father saying He is the Only One True GOD and creator alone on His own, as we read in many verses like John 17:3, Mark 12:29, Matthew 19:4.

Notice how Jesus does not mention Himself being WITH GOD and involved in doing the creating!

We do NOT read, (WE), or (US), but we INSTEAD read Jesus saying (THE ONE), defining GOD the Father alone!

So as we see, the most popular belief which most Christians believe in, is that John 1:1 to 1-5 is Jesus, and has to be wrong.

Next fact!

If Jesus was WITH GOD in the BEGINNING, that wrong understanding would simply and clearly be ''contradicting'' the whole Bibles teachings.

As we have seen, as far as I am concerned, Bible ''contradictions'' prove we are deceived or not understanding the true Word of GOD, which explains why false faiths have countless ''contradictions'' against the Word of GOD, who also clearly ''contradict'' their own faith.

My Conclusion:

Jesus is referred to as “God” twice for sure, others are called God or gods, including, angels, and even glorified members of the Church.

However, Jesus is never ever called: The One True GOD.

And John 1:1 to 5 is not about a second person, but is about GOD The Father and His spoken word.

This all concludes how the translations of The Jehovah’s Witnesses of John 1, is wrong.

I believe the Greek translation of John 1:1 is correct, except the Word should not be a CAPITAL LETTER, because John 1:1 is simply referring to GOD's (word) in Genesis 1, His statement, speech, divine utterance, plan, power, authority, of GOD, expressing Yahweh’s thoughts, action, message, purpose and will, spoken by the breath of Yahweh’s mouth, which is why John tells us: and the word was with God, and the word was God, as confirmed in Psalm 33:6.

As most of Christianity are wrong by adding in a second person Jesus into John 1, so are The Jehovah’s Witnesses wrong by adding in a second person Jesus into John 1.

But just in case you do not already know, I have saved the best until last.

There are countless older translations that prove most of Christianity are using and reading the false modern translations of John 1: 3 to 5.

The truth is seen in how this SHOCKING deceptions of John 1: is seen in the MODERN Bible translations.

This is because of the correct older Bible translations that are seen and confirmed by people like William Tyndale, martyred for his efforts to get the Bible to the public.

His translation reads:

“In the beginnynge was the worde, and the worde was with God, and the worde was god. The same was in the beginnynge with god. All thinges were made by it, and without it, was made nothinge that was made. In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men, and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not” (William Tyndale, The New Testament, 1534).

Please read John 1 in 50+ English Translations By Sir Anthony Buzzard. https://wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com/2019/07/john-1-in-50-english-translations.html

What we instead see is how there are Trinitarian biased Bible translators who have wrongly translated John 1:1 to John 1:5.

And there is absolutely NO teachings what so ever throughout the whole Bible saying or teaching Michael the Angel, or GOD, or a Pre-existing Jesus, changed, by being reincarnated from being a Spirit being, or Michael the Angel, or GOD, into the baby Jesus.

In fact the beginning of all four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, tell us how Jesus came into existence in the womb of the woman, and Jesus becoming flesh as The Word 👉of👈 GOD in John 1:14.

Notice how Jesus is called The Word 👉(OF) 👈 The GOD, and NOT THE GOD.

Revelation 19:13 

and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood. And His name is called 

The Word 👉OF👈 God.

John is defining the difference of Jesus, 

and the difference of GOD, by telling us Jesus is:  

The Word 👉OF👈 God.

Notice how Jesus is NOT called 👉(GOD) 👈 The WORD, or (GOD the SON),

but instead: The Word 👉OF👈 God.

As John 1:1 correctly tells us 👉The word was GOD👈 this proves John 1:1 is NOT referring to Jesus as (a God), but instead is referring to the 👉 BEGINNING of  Yahweh’s spoken word in Genesis 1, as (The One True GOD) Himself ALONE, on His OWN!

◄ Isaiah 42:5 ►

World English Bible

Thus says God Yahweh, 👉he👈 who created the heavens and stretched them out, 👉he👈 who spread out the earth and that which comes out of it, 👉he👈 who gives breath to its people and spirit to those.

The absolute truth is:

We never, ever, read (WE) or (US) or (THEY) or (BOTH) or (TOGETHER) or (a God), or (GODS) or (THROUGH a God) or (THROUGH the SON) or (The Father and the SON) or the (GOD HEAD) or the (TRINITY) or a (TRIAD GOD) created the heavens and spread out the earth ⛔.