John 14:9. Yet again another MASSIVE Trinitarian confusion Creating a TRINITARIAN deception.

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 

These words by Jesus in John 14:9 are used by believers in the TRINITY faith.

The Oneness Pentecostal faith also believe this proves GOD the Father is Jesus.

When the TRINITY faith use this verse, they are in fact proving with their own hands how deceived and confused they are.

Here’s why.

The TRINITY faith.

The foundations of the TRINITY faith is built on believing the ONE TRUE GOD is THREE persons.

Followed by them believing the Father is not the Son, and the Holy Spirit is not the father, or the Spirit is not the Son, and they are all SEPARATE beings, but ONE and the same GOD according to the TRINITY.

Just as we see in the Catholic Trinity diagram below.

As we see in the Catholic Trinity diagram, that is the ONLY part that says the Father and the Son are not the same person but are SEPARATE persons.

This part showing Father and Son as separate beings in the TRINITY faith is in agreement with what Jesus taught that Jesus never ever taught He was or is the Father.

But the rest is false and is often the case that truth is mixed with untrue facts. 

Jesus and the Father are NOT one GOD and the Holy Spirit is NOT a separate person.

As we have seen above, the foundations of the TRINITY faith, believe and teach Father, Son, and Spirit are all SEPARATE persons.

The first Trinitarian contradiction.

We therefore NOW clearly SEE how some Trinitarians are in fact CONTRADICTING the foundations of their own TRINITY faith with what they believe and teach.

Simply because the very confused Trinitarians are now saying in one hand that these words by Jesus is teaching Jesus and the Father are ONE and the same person and not SEPARATE persons as taught by themselves in their other hand as seen in their own confession of their TRINITY diagram.

As Jesus said: Whoever has seen me has seen the Father, does not mean Jesus was saying He and the Father are the SAME person.

But therefore proves again how these Trinitarians have again become muddled and do not know what Jesus meant which I will explain shortly.

Notice, Jesus said; Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father? And yet the very confused Trinitarians who use this verse say this verse proves Jesus is the Father.

And yet the foundation of the TRINITY faith do not believe Jesus is the Father, or that the Father is the Son.

Notice, Jesus does NOT say: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen: GOD? 

Or: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen: that I and the Father are ONE GOD.

Or: Philip? Whoever has seen me: has seen we are the SAME PERSON.

If Jesus is the Father or GOD, this is what Jesus would be saying if He were claiming to be the Father or GOD, and would say: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen GOD.

Notice there is NOT a single word by Jesus saying: Whoever has seen me has seen GOD. If there was, we would know Jesus is also the same GOD.

The second Trinitarian contradiction.

After Jesus had been and gone, when thousands of people HAD ALREADY SEEN JESUS, St John taught us: NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD. John 1:18.

Contradicting what the TRINITY faith teaches, who teach on the contrary that thousands of people HAVE SEEN GOD, IF Jesus is GOD.

The confused Trinitarians say John 14:9, proves Jesus is the Father.

Again CONTRADICTING what Jesus taught when He said: 

not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. John 6:46.

The third Trinitarian contradiction.

As Jesus always taught that He is a SEPARATE being from the Father, and the Trinitarians also believe and teach Jesus and the Father are SEPARATE beings, this means the confused Trinitarians who say this verse proves Jesus is the Father are contradicting the foundations of their own faith and are now teaching Jesus and the Father are NOT SEPARATE beings, but instead ONE person.

The forth Trinitarian contradiction.

If Jesus is a SEPARATE person, as the TRINITY faith RIGHTLY believe with what Jesus taught, then their own TRINITY faith CONTRADICTS their own faith, and teachers instead, there are TWO GODS, and not ONE GOD, which they refuse to admit,  because they have become dull of hearing. 

What then did Jesus mean when He said: if they have seen Him, then they have seen the Father? THE SIMPLE ANSWER is by Jesus Himself in John 12:45:

As some are confused with John 14:9, they may get confused with what Jesus meant in John 12:45, so lets see what Jesus meant in the verse above?

Answer: 

John 1:14:

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”John 8:19.

And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me John 16:3.

But why did Jesus say to the unbelieving Jews; “You know neither me nor my Father.

Because the unbelieving Jews did not believe Jesus when He taught that He is the literal Son of GOD.

And therefore did not understand Jesus has all His Fathers image and nature.

Just as certain Trinitarians who also do not understand what Jesus taught when Jesus said: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 

If all Trinitarians did their Bible studying they would also understand what Jesus meant when He said: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 

Let's do what most Trinitarians do not do and look at the scriptures below to see what Jesus meant by saying: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 

Answers:

1.         He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15.

2.         In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 3. 

3.         He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Hebrews 1:3.

4. Jesus also taught that His Father was in Him doing His works, and that everything the Father did, Jesus did.

Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. John 14:10.

Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves. John 14:11.

As GOD is in His Son Jesus, we can now understand why Jesus said: Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Whoever has seen the Father was NOT because Jesus is GOD as the TRINITY wrongly teach, but because Jesus is IDENTICAL to His GOD, and GOD the Father can be seen in His Son, and because the Father is in His Son.

If we were to see Jesus, we would be seeing the physical form of GOD, not because Jesus is GOD, but because Jesus has all of GODS nature.

This is why St Paul said: who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped. Philippians 2:6.

There we have the Biblical facts. This is WHY Jesus said: if you have seen Him, then you have seen the Father. Because Jesus is the image of the invisible God and the exact imprint of his nature in physical form of GOD. 

John 14:9, has NOTHING to do with proving Jesus is THE GOD.

As Jesus is the IMAGE of His GOD, the Biblical fact proves Jesus is NOT that SAME GOD, but is the nature of GOD.

If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” John 14:7.

Because Jesus was BORN directly from His GOD, He is therefore just like His GOD.

John 17:5. Yet Again Another Trinitarian Confusion. Creating A TRINITARIAN Deception.

What do Trinitarians believe with John 17:5?

Notice below:

As we see Trinitarians believe Jesus was conscious and existing at the Father’s side before the world was created and therefor proves Jesus Pr- existed with GOD before He was born from Mary as they say.  

After many debates and long research, I no longer believe Jesus Pr- existed with GOD before He was born from Mary.  

Why?  

Notice what Jesus said in John 14:10: Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.  

but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” John 10:38  

We know that Jesus spoke GODS very words because He told us: For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. John 12:49.  

So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. John 8:28  

And notice in Deuteronomy 18:18: 

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.  

What we clearly see is that GOD was in His SON telling Jesus what to say by doing His works.  

If Jesus  Pr- existed with GOD then He would have already known what to say beforehand and would not need His Father telling Him what to say and doing His works.  

Next fact.  

Many believe because Jesus said in John 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.  

So most believe Jesus must be GOD because Jesus was with GOD before creation they say.  

And yet if we go back just a few verses to John 17:3 we read Jesus saying: And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.  

Notice Jesus prays and says His Father is the only true GOD, and excludes Himself from being true GOD, proving Jesus is not GOD.  

So what did Jesus mean by saying in John 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.  

The answer is in John 8:58 when Jesus said: Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”  

Jesus had the glory with His Father not because He pr-existed, but because He is considered as first priority in importance, order and rank, which is confirmed by John the Baptist in John 1:15, John 1:30, which is again why we read in Colossians 1:17 Jesus is before all things, who is the chosen Messiah.  

Jesus was praying to His Father that all the old Testament Bible prophecies would now be fulfilled, as He was at the end of His ministry and was about to be raised from the dead to be with His Father, where GODS plan would be completed, since before the world begun, and the Son would receive glory.  

Notice also that in John 17:22 Jesus goes on to give the glory to His disciples by saying: The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one. 

If Jesus meant He Pr- existed with GOD, that would then also mean the disciples also Pr- existed with GOD, because the disciples receive the same glory given to Jesus.  

And if Jesus had Pr- existed with GOD before hand, then who was He beforehand, Angel, or GOD?

Jesus could not have been an Angel because Hebrews 1: says Jesus was not an Angel. 

Jesus could not have been GOD, because Numbers 23:19 tells us GOD ALMIGHTY cannot become a man or the Son of man, proving Jesus was NOT GOD.  

English Standard Version God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

And Hebrews 1:2 does not tell us GOD spoke through His SON beforehand as taught by most, but that GOD did not speak through His SON until He arrived, also proving Jesus was not GOD and did not pre-exist His flesh.

Also read:

The PAGANS gods and The Catholic TRINITY.

John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio program Grace to You, SAYS:  American pastor SAYS: 

You need to believe that Jesus is God. 

 (Assurance of Victory--1 John 5, Moody Press, p.12).   

According to Trinitarian teachers, THEY SAY: Unless Jesus is GOD, He is NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DIE FOR OUR SINS. 

Who is right GOD Almighty Or the Catholic church? 

The world is a magnificent creation. 

Which is why GOD is called THE ALMIGHTY GOD.  

From the beginning of GOD’s CREATION, GOD declared one divine truth. 

And that divine truth always was, that He is ONE person, who is THE ONLY ONE who is, THE TRUE GOD.  

And one of the scribes, came up and heard them disputing, with one another, and seeing that, he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 8. Jesus answered,

 “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one (PERSON).

Mark 12:28,29.  

However, the MAIN doctrine of the Catholic church teach on the contrary and teach the ONE TRUE GOD is a TRINITY, 
which means the ONE TRUE GOD, IS NOT THE ONE TRUE GOD or a single person, as GOD and His Son has always declared but according to that Catholic doctrine, GOD IS THREE persons who is a “tritheism” (three Gods). 

Just as we see in the Catholic diagram below.  


















More SHOCKING is how MOST of the Christian population, in MOST churches today have adopted and made the MAIN doctrine of the Catholic church, the foundations of their own faith, which teaches the ONE TRUE GOD is NOT the ONE TRUE GOD, if He is THREE called the TRINITY.  

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And yet there is not a single word in the Bible teaching the ONE TRUE GOD equals THREE persons. 

Or the ONE TRUE GOD is THREE persons.  

GOD declared hundreds of times, there is none like me, and He is NOT THREE persons, but ONE. 

remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 

Isaiah 46:9. 

 Was GOD wrong when He said: there is none like me. Isaiah 46:9.  


If the Catholic church are correct, and GOD is a “tritheism” (three Gods) called the TRINITY, then the Catholic church would prove GOD Almighty was wrong. 

Because what we find is the IDENTICAL SAME TRINITY God, as the  concept of the “tritheism” (three Gods), goes right back to Babylon and Egypt and other PAGANS and the pagan god is the SAME and is the IDENTICAL concept of the Catholic TRINITY.  

Is the ONE TRUE GOD, the same as the PAGANS gods from Babylon and Egypt.       

http://www.mother-god.com/triple-goddess.html The Triple Goddess The Original Holy Trinity  NOTICE THE TRIPLE (THREE DEITY’) IS IDENTICAL WITH THE TRINITY WHICH MOST CHRISTIANS WORSHIP TODAY.   

How is it possible that the ONE TRUE GOD is the same as the PAGAN gods from Babylon and Egypt, when GOD said: I am God, and there is none like me. Isaiah 46:9.  

The shocking truth is the concept of the TRINITY (one god as three) was worshiped by PAGANS from Babylon and Egypt and other PAGANS which was CONDEMNED, prohibited and forbidden, by THE ONE TRUE GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 

The shocking truth is, what God CONDEMNED and prohibited which was and still is the worship of any gods, including the concept of the  Babylon TRINITY (one god as three) by PAGANS from Babylon and Egypt is NOW believed and taught as the MAIN foundation of most Christians today.  

It is the LORD your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve, and by his name you shall swear.  You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you for the LORD your God in your midst is a jealous God, lest, the anger of the LORD your God, be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.  

Deuteronomy 6:13-15.  

WHY have MOST of the CHRISTIAN population replaced, The ONE TRUE GOD with the Catholic TRINITY PAGAN THREE gods from Babylon and Egypt?

  The Catholic TRINITY.  

       WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

2 Peter 1:1 Yet AGAIN Another Trinitarian misunderstanding.

2 Peter 1:1, Yet AGAIN, Used As Another Trinitarian DECEPTION and misunderstanding. 

Quick Facts:

In 2 Peter 2:1 St Peter is SIMPLY referring to BOTH GOD the Father: (THE GOD OF US), AND JESUS THE LORD.

Just as there are many other identical phrases as some below:  Waiting for our blessed hope the appearing of the glory of our great God (and) Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13.

Titus 1:4 To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father (and) Christ Jesus our Savior.  

There are LITERALLY HUNDREDS of teachings that teach us GOD the FATHER is ONE PERSON and GOD ALONE, who is (THE GOD OF US) ALONE.  

Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers? Malachi 2:10.  

since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Romans 3:30.

We know GOD The Father is the only GOD ALONE who is (THE GOD OF US) ALONE by what Paul told us in 1 Corinthians 8:6:

yet for us there is 

one God, the Father, 

from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Notice there is ONE person only who is GOD who is the Father only.

Did St Peter Believe Jesus was GOD?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:San_Pedro_en_l%C3%A1grimas_-_Murillo.jpg  

The answer is in Matthew 16:16. 

If Jesus is GOD, why didn’t Peter say so when Jesus asked His disciples:  “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”  

Lets have a look at the Biblical facts?

14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”1 5He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “

You are the Christ,

the Son of the living God.” 

17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hellc shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ. Matthew 16:  

Notice how Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.   

Notice there are NO contradictions by Peter as MOST who say Peter taught Jesus is GOD in 2 Peter 1:1  

Notice how Jesus blessed Peter by confirming He understood the truth by Peter saying, Jesus is the Son of His GOD, which Jesus said: was not revealed to him by man, but by GOD the Father in heaven.   

We have an identical statement by Jesus in Mark 12:34. 
Only this time Jesus was praising a SCRIBE regarding His Father GOD for also understanding and believing the truth, that His Father GOD ALMIGHTY is ONE GOD and ONE person, and GOD alone, and on His own, with no GOD like His Father GOD, who is a single being. 

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

 Isaiah 46:9. 

WHY can’t MOST of the Christian population understand, that when GOD declared so many times there is none like Him, GOD is SIMPLY proving His Son Jesus is not GOD, and the Holy Spirit is not a SEPARATE person?

As Jesus praised Peter for understanding who He Jesus was, Jesus also saw that: he (the SCRIBE) answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions. Mark 12:34. 

In Matthew 16:16 we have Jesus praising Peter for understanding Jesus is the Son of His GOD.

In Mark 12:34, we have Jesus praising a SCRIBE for understanding GOD is ONE GOD alone.  

We also have many scriptures like Isaiah 46:9 where GOD declares there is NONE LIKE HIM. 

As there is NONE LIKE GOD meaning there is NO OTHER TRUE GOD, which is why GOD the Father is called The ONLY TRUE GOD. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3.  14. 
Notice Jesus said (ONLY)? 
The Greek word for (ONLY) is:  μόνος, η, ον. 
And means: alone, (only one). ONE PERSON. 
Just as: the scribe said to him, (Jesus) “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he (GOD THE FATHER) is one, (PERSON) and there is no other besides (him). Meaning (GOD THE FATHER IS GOD ALONE).

What is so difficult for MOST of the Christian population with understanding (ONLY), means: ONLY ONE PERSON and never ever THREE PERSONS?

Why won’t MOST of the Christian population believe what GOD and His Son Jesus taught?

The answer is given by the people who believe Jesus is GOD. 
As they believe and teach the first church Fathers believed and taught Jesus is GOD.

Some of the first church Fathers taught what GOD and His Son did not teach, that Jesus is GOD which eventually became THREE called the TRINITY.  

What we shockingly see, is how MOST of the Christian population are PROVING they believe what man teaches, instead of GOD and His Son.    

Conclusion.
As with Peter, we have a perfect statement and confession by Peter confirming what he believed which clearly establishes the truth of what Peter believed by VERY clearly saying, He believed Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and NOTHING about Jesus being the SAME FATHER GOD, or GOD Himself.  

There is also NOTHING by Jesus saying He is GOD.

If Jesus is GOD this would be another perfect place for Peter and Jesus to confirm who Jesus is and what Peter believed, and Peter would have told Jesus instead: You are the Christ, the living God, if Jesus were GOD.  

Yet Peter did not say: You are the Christ, the living God. 

And Jesus did not say: you are, wrong I am GOD. 

Jesus instead confirmed to Peter how pleased he was, for understanding the truth that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God.   

Notice the simple Bibles teachings, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. What is so DIFFICULT in understanding Jesus is THE LITERAL Son of His GOD.


The scriptures are crystal clear and self evident, plain and simple, and could not be any clearer regards to the identity of Jesus.  


And yet Trinitarians say they cannot understand their faith, and their faith is a MYSTRY.  

The shocking truth is that MOST of the Christian population believe and teach Jesus is GOD, which when carefully examined PROVES to be false, and yet they will say those who do not believe Jesus is GOD are heretics and on their way to HELL. 

According to what MOST believe that one MUST believe Jesus is GOD, and yet Peter and Jesus only ever taught we must believe Christ (is) the Son of the living God, and never said a single word saying we MUST believe Jesus is GOD. 

As Peter did not believe Jesus was GOD, and as Jesus did not teach He was GOD, would this mean both Peter and Jesus are heretics, for not believing what MOST of the Christian population believe and teach?

Certainly not.  

GOD the Father and Christ the Son of the living God and their disciples only ever taught the truth and ONE Biblical fact, which is a salvation issue just as those FEW who instead believe what Jesus always and only EVER  taught: but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.  John 20:31  

do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said,  ‘I am the Son of God’?  John 10:36.  

Yet again the Biblical facts reveal there are NO teachings by Peter, or Jesus teaching Jesus is THE ONE TRUE GOD.