What did Jesus mean? & Where is the separate third Godhead when He said: I and my Father are one, in John 10:30, or in John 1:1, or on Heaven’s Big Throne?”

Lets examine this closer, and notice some important biblical facts.

The Trinity doctrine teaches there are THREE separate persons who are Father and Son and Holy Spirit who are ONE.

And yet, there is no scripture teaching the Holy Spirit is a separate person.

Genesis 1:2 tells us: And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. So we read it was GOD ALMIGHTY’S own Spirit Himself and nothing about a separate Trinity third person of the Godhead, or any other TRUE GOD who works side by side with the ONE TRUE GOD.  

Here is another example of how GOD ALMIGHTY Himself uses His own power.

◄ Genesis 8 ►

English Standard Version

The Flood Subsides

1. But God remembered Noah and all the beasts and all the livestock that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind blow over the earth, and the waters subsided.
Notice here there is no mention of the Holy Spirit, because: God made a wind blow over the earth, Himself, which is clearly GOD who is Holy and a Spirit who uses His power in other scriptures as being the Holy Spirit and who is not a separate person.
If the Holy Spirit was a separate person, this would mean GOD did not create the world Himself, as He said in Isaiah 44:24. We see in this scripture GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD who created the world Alone.
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24.

Please notice yet again GOD said He made all things, ALONE. Where is the separate third Godhead in the scripture? If the Trinitarians are correct and there is a separate third Godhead, then GOD almighty did not create all things ALONE and by Himself, as He has clearly told us in Isaiah 44:24.

Have you ever read the following saying:
He, she, are a good spirit?
We all know this saying does not mean a SEPARATE Spirit or PERSON. But the Spirit of the person themselves.
In the same way GOD Almighty's own Holy Spirit is referred to Himself, and as His active power that goes forth from Himself.

Please note what Luke 1:35, says:
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
As we see, the scripture says: “The Holy Spirit will come, and then goes on to say this power is: the Most High, who we all agree is GOD ALMIGHTY Himself alone.

So in other words GOD sends: The Holy Spirit. which must be His own personal power sent out and forth.

Also notice how this scripture says: the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

So there we see the child to be born was the Son of God. Which means Jesus was BORN from His Father GOD Himself.
If Jesus was BORN from a SEPARATE Spirit then He would be the SON of the Holy Spirit and NOT the son of His Father GOD.

Many Trinitarians believe Genesis 1:2, is the evidence of two separate persons, because the scripture says: the Spirit and GOD, 'misunderstanding' GOD is the Spirit and this is talking about one person, who is the Spirit of GOD, and not two persons. 
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24, 

St Paul made this clear who we worship when he said: For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—Philippians 3:3.
Notice the scripture in Philippians 3:3, of the  Text Analysis Greek; those in [the] Spirit of GOD. I do not see anything about worshipping a separate Spirit person, other than the Holy Spirit of GOD Himself.

St Paul is clearly talking about worshipping GOD who is Spirit and not about worshipping a separate spirit person.
St Paul certainly did not believe GOD and His SON were a Trinity because He made this perfectly clear by saying:
But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6. King James Bible.

Could St Paul make this important point any clearer by saying there is ONE GOD who is the Father.
And yet Trinitarians keep telling me I am deceived, because they believe the Holy Spirit is a separate person and not the Spirit of GOD and His power from Himself, which if the case then becomes a clear contradiction and makes two GODS and not one GOD.
On top of that massive contradiction, Trinitarians keep telling me Jesus is also GOD, which now adds up to THREE Gods, and not ONE GOD.
And if Jesus is GOD, as Trinitarians preach and teach, that is another contradiction on top of the other contradiction, which contradicts what Jesus taught that His Father GOD IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, in John 17:3.

Let’s move on from here before Trinitarians find a forth God, and continue to contradict what they say and believe by always saying they only believe in one God.

St Paul taught the Spirit was GOD ALMIGHTY’s own Spirit when he said: And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out (my) Spirit on all flesh, Acts 2:17.

The end of Acts 5:3-4 also goes on to say the Holy Spirit is GOD ALMIGHTY’s own Spirit.
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” 
What I read in Acts 5:3-4, is that in the end of this scripture Ananias lied to GOD, which tells us at the beginning of the scripture He was the Holy Spirit. Nothing there I see about a SEPARATE Holy Spirit, but that it’s simply misunderstood and means Peter is teaching this is GOD ALMIGHTY’s own Spirit. In simple words, GOD ALMIGHTY Himself.

What about John 10:30?
Trinitarians say and believe that in this scripture of John 10:30, Jesus was referring to Himself, and His Father GOD as being ONE GOD. 

Does Jesus say He is GOD?
Jesus never said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE GOD.
But instead said: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
These are not the same. Being ONE with GOD does not mean or prove Jesus is GOD.
There is clearly nothing about Jesus saying He is GOD in this scripture, but please read on and see how this scripture is another one of many that is simply and clearly misunderstood by millions still today as many of the Jews also misunderstood Jesus.

Where is the third person of the Godhead in John 10:30?
The Trinity doctrine teaches that there are THREE persons in the Godhead, and that the third person of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit. Yet Jesus Himself, makes no mention or reference to a third person of the Godhead of the Holy Spirit in John 10:30.

If the Holy Spirit is a Person of His Own, Then Why Isn’t He Sitting on Heaven’s Big Throne?”
I have added the link to this full article below by Kermit Zarley.

Are we to believe the Holy Spirit is a separate third person of the Godhead Trinity when both Jesus and St John never mentioned a separate third person of the Godhead Trinity in the two greatest teachings in John’s Gospel?

Why would both Jesus and St John leave out (and not even mention) such an important person of the Holy Spirit, if the person were indeed a separate person?

"Because the Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it is striking that the term does not appear in the NT. Likewise the developed concept of three coequal partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon" (Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Bruce Metzger, OUP, 1993, p. 782).

But we must come down towards the year 360 to find the doctrine on the Holy Ghost explained both fully and clearly. It is St. Athanasius who does so in his "Letters to Serapion" (P.G., XXVI, col. 525 sq.).St. Basil, Didymus of Alexandria, St. Epiphanius, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, St. Ambrose, and St. Gregory of Nyssa took up the same thesis ex professo, supporting it for the most part with the same proofs. All these writings had prepared the way for the Council of Constantinople which, in 381, condemned the Pneumatomachians and solemnly proclaimed the true doctrine. (Forget, Jacques. "Holy Ghost." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 21 Jul. 2012 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm)

The Cathecism of the Catholic Church admits:
245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was announced by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381) (Catechism of the Catholic Church. Imprimatur Potest +Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Doubleday, NY 1995, p. 72).
Perhaps it should be pointed out that the apostles had all been dead for hundreds of years before the position was agreed upon in 381 A.D.
Dr. Ray Pritz correctly observed:
The doctrine of the Holy Spirit was the slowest to develop in the doctrine of the trinity by the Church catholic (Pritz R.  Nazarene Jewish Christianity.  Magnas, Jerusalem, 1988, p.90).

According to Roman Catholic sources, it was apparently voiced by the heretic Montanus and developed by a famous Gnostic heretic named Valentinus in the mid-2nd Century.

They are just some of many quotes I have touched on. There are clearly countless facts that prove the Holy Spirit is NOT a separate third person of the Godhead Trinity, which was also never taught as a doctrine until as we read:

The Holy Spirit were left largely un addressed until after the relationship between the Father and the Son was settled around the year 362. [77] So the doctrine in a more full-fledged form was not formulated until the Council of Constantinople in 360 AD,[78] and a final form formulated in 381 AD, primarily crafted by Gregory of Nyssa.[79]
77. Fairbairn 2009, pp. 46–47.
78. Socrates, Book 2, Chapter 41.
79. Gregory of Nyssa, The Great Catechism ch. 3 in Schaff, Ante-Nicene, supra, 477.

It’s interesting to read how Arius clearly knew and understood how Christianity was being mixed with Greek paganism.

Though Arius was also accused by his opponents of being too liberal, and too loose in his theology, engaging in heresy (as defined by his opponents), some historians argue that Arius was actually quite conservative,[11] and that he deplored how, in his view, Christian theology was being too freely mixed with Greek paganism.[12]

11. Williams, Rowan (2002) [1987]. Arius (Revised ed.). Grand Rapids, Mich: W.B. Eerdmans. ISBN 0-8028-4969-5.

12. Williams, Rowan (2002) [1987]. Arius (Revised ed.). Grand Rapids, Mich: W.B. Eerdmans. p. 235. ISBN 0-8028-4969-5.

Yet here’s another massive deception in many Trinitarian churches today.
Why do Trinitarians pray to a separate person of their third Trinity GODHEAD, which they believe is a separate Holy Spirit, who does NOT exist in the whole Bible, with NOT a single scripture teaching that the Holy Spirit is a separate person, or that a born again believer should pray to the Holy Spirit?
But instead all scriptures clearly teach Christians should only pray to the Father GOD through His mediator and SON Jesus.

Jesus made this very clear in His simple teaching of how one should pray by saying:
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Matthew 6:9.
And He said that we must go through Him by saying: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6.

There again is nothing about believing or going through a SEPARATE Spirit.

In fact in John 4:23 to 24, Jesus tells us that GOD ALMIGHTY Himself is the Spirit we should pray to:
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:23 to 24.
Did you notice that? the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit.
Meaning GOD ALMIGHTY Himself who is Spirit.

If the Trinity is true, where did Jesus say in John 4:23 to 24, or anywhere in the Bible, that one must believe in the Trinity or worship the Trinity to be saved?

If the Holy Spirit is not a separate person as seems to be the case, than the Spirit is clearly understood to me at least, to be the Spirits of God and Jesus themselves.
And that explains why: Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. John 14:23.

If it were true, that the Holy Spirit is a separate person, as Jesus and the Father lives in the Born again, then surly there would be THREE Holy Spirits living in the Born again.

Notice yet again in, John 14:23, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit being a separate person, but that it is Jesus and the Father who lives in the Born again.

So when Trinitarians pray and worship their separate Spirit, when there is no such separate person taught in the scriptures, who then are they praying and worshipping?
Well if we ask them they are not helpful, because often, they don’t know themselves, because they sometimes pray to their Spirit in tongues, and never understand what they are saying, well neither do I, I keep telling them.

Why can’t Trinitarians admit that if the Holy Spirit is a separate person from GOD Himself, then that must mean their Spirit is a SEPARATE God, making TWO Gods, which goes against the word of GOD, when GOD said:

“See now that I myself am he! THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME. Deuteronomy 32:39.

Now, the question becomes: if Jesus did not mean He and the Father are ONE GOD, then what did He mean in John 10:30?

The answer to what Jesus meant is in John 17:11, and John 17:20, and in John 10:30, which is from the lips of Jesus Himself just a few verses later in John 10:38, when He said:  do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?  If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;  but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” Again they sought to arrest him, but he escaped from their hands. John 10:36 to 39.

There we have the answer to what Jesus was teaching when He said: I and my Father are one. John 10:30.

God was in His SON Jesus, and is ONE in substance, instead of ONE in being, or number, in the same way God and Jesus are in the born again believer, who are also not ONE being, or in number, as they are still separate persons, but who are also ONE in substance with God and Jesus.

As it was GOD’s own Holy Spirit in His own Son Jesus, As Jesus said, this proves His Father was in him, because GOD is Holy, and is a Spirit, which makes Him the Holy Spirit, who is omnipresent making it possible for GOD to be anywhere, which again proves the Holy Spirit cannot possibly be another separate person of the GODHEAD Trinity, because then it would not be GOD ALMIGHTY Himself in His Son, but a separate person if it were true that the Spirit were a separate person of the GODHEAD Trinity,

Most are confused with what Jesus said and meant here, and in their confusion they believe this proves that Jesus and the Father are, in fact, ONE GOD.

Millions of Christians are confused.
When I was a Trinitarian, I was one of those who misunderstood this to believe that Jesus meant He and GOD are ONE GOD, but then I changed my mind. I came to understand that this so-called statement contradicts Jesus’ own teachings – many, many times throughout the Bible – when Jesus said that He is the SON of God and there is only ONE true GOD, meaning (always existed), who has always been.

When a man and a woman come together in marriage, it is said that they become ONE. However, they are NEVER the same person; they are always two completely separate people.

Jesus prayed to His Father, GOD, asking that He and His disciples would become ONE:

Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. John 17:11.

I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us. John 17:20, 21.

Here it is clear Jesus prayed that GOD and His disciples would all become in complete agreement, and in harmony they would join together as a family, just as Jesus has ONE purpose with His Father, God – to be in complete agreement, harmony, and purpose, just as he desires to make all God’s children ONE substance.

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