The Testimony And Research By John Wagman On The TRINITY!

When I was 7 the nun who was my 2nd grade teacher in the catholic school I went to taught us about the Trinity.  It really puzzled me.   During recess I pondered on this concept.   I came to the realization that it was completely impossible. 

I thought, "A man gets us cursed by God so God comes back as a man so that the people can murder him.  And that is how we are suppose to get forgiven.   God can die?   Could men  kill him?  He would like it?  He would be happy with them?   I think not."    

 At that time I had never even seen or heard of the bible as all my family and friends were catholic.  The world doesn't believe Jesus when he praised God for revealing things to small children. ... and hiding it from the scholars.

Later when I became familiar with the scriptures I was amazed to find out that I had already known it as though it had been written in my heart from before I could remember.  I don't mean that I knew all the people, places, and history but rather I knew that Jesus was the Messiah.  And that God raised him up from the dead.  And that he is alive and hears my prayers.  And that I needed to obey God and walk the same path as Jesus who is my number one hero and role model.

This is what I discovered in my studies.  The motive behind "Jesus has to be God" came from the Church of Alexandria.  Alexandria was the world capital of Gnosticism and neo-platonic philosophy.   They developed a doctrine called Theosis. (Becoming God).  They based it on the passage 2 Peter 1:4

"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.."

In neo-platonic philosophy "nature" is defined as the substance of what something is made out of.    So put in Athanasius of Alexandria own words. "God came down to the earth and became man so that men could go up to haven and become God."  This is how they came up with the veneration of saints and praying to them for divine intervention or protection.  If Jesus was not God, or a god, then the doctrine crumbles.  This is why we don't see anything about the trinity in the Nicaea 325 Creed.   Its only focus is on the divinity of Jesus.

 @Is The Creator A TRIAD GOD?  

I find your story encouraging.   Because some years ago I gave up on trying to convince anyone.  Either they believed the Word or they did not.  Either God has reveled these things to them or God has sent them a powerful delusion so that they would believe the  lie.  Because they do not love the truth.    

However in the beginning (35 years ago) of it I found it hard to accept that so much of the world could be completely delusional. .   So I made an intense study of the subject.   LOL You would be hard pressed to find anyone who knows more about the Trinity  than I.  Realizing that it was not in the bible and that those who defended  it  in fact didn't even believe the bible.  They just use it . Adding to it, taking away from it, changing the meanings of words, ignoring conflicts, and whatever else they needed to do to make it fit their doctrines.  

So realizing that sound reasoning from the scriptures had no effect I turned instead to the study of Church history and 4th century Roman history.   I spent thousands of hour cross examining their claims.   

They kept saying that Tertullian was the first to use the word the trinity and come up with the original outline for it.  So I examined all of the surviving works we have from Tertullian.  He coined the word trinitas to mock the teachings of the gnostic Valentinus.   He also used it philosophically elsewhere as a metaphor to show that God, and wisdom and knowledge was incomplete without the third element of love. 

 This is only one example of how they use half truths to create false impressions.  The way the Catholic church, and her protestant daughters,  make it seem like the issue was settled in 325 at the Council of Nicaea .  They leave out the fact that the creed was overturned within months and that Nicene Christians (those that believe Jesus is God)  ended up getting removed from the church.  

They leave out that fact that Nicene Christianity was let back into the church many years later by Emperor Julian (the apostate) (361 ad)  who hated Christianity and wanted to reinstate the old pagan cults.  

And probably one of  the biggest thing they never mention is that in 380 AD Emperor Theodosius I (the Great), emperor from 379 to 395 and the last to rule over both east and west, along with his junior emperors passed a law (Edict of Thessalonica 380) making Nicene Christianity the only legal religion in the Empire and authorized the punishment of any who did not honor it.   The following year he called a council (First General Council of Constantinople 381) to make the church  adopt the trinity as the official orthodoxy of his new religion. The Universal (catholic)  Church of Rome.    Theodosius was praised as the one who ended all paganism and made the world Christian.  Yet somehow he was still deified after his death.  Go figure. 

Bottom line is the Trinity comes from Roman Emperors passing a law.  It has nothing to do with real Christianity.  It is anti-Christianity.  However these true and verifiable facts are all but ignored by those who want to believe in the religions passed down to them by their ancestors and don't care about the truth.

By John Wagman On The TRINITY!

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Comment by cbooth151 debunking the TRINITY:

The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself: FULL ARTICLE HERE

COMMENT by John De Visser on the Trinity and false Christ's:

The trinity is Satan's flagship of deception, it makes big liars and con artists out of both the Father and the Son.

SHOCKING COMMENT Titled: The Trinity is NOT Biblical.

I recently received this comment on one of my post, which I would like to share with you below. I have also added the persons full research and article under his comment, for you to decide for yourself is it true or false? I know what I believe, BUT DO YOU? Because your ‘DESTINATION’ DEPENDS ON IT. Simon.

Interesting comment.True Christianity originated from Judaism, not Catholic paganism.

By Adam 1984. The Bible was Written by Non-Trinitarians and so is a Non-Trinitarian Book !

Jude 1:4, is a perfect scripture that seems to make this point very clear.

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:4.

In an article called What Is Messiah? Jewish Messiah or Christian God by Rick Richardson, he writes:

In his article Cosmic Codebreaker, Pious Heretic, about Sir Isaac Newton (for Christian History Magazine), Karl Giberson writes: “Newton began a sustained reflection on the Christian doctrines and decided that the Anglican status quo was a thorough corruption of the true, original Christianity.

These considerations led him to write over a million words on theology and biblical studies—more than he wrote on any other subject. “Newton's theological investigations convinced him that the doctrine of the Trinity was bogus, a successful deception by St. Athanasius in the fourth century.

Newton argued that the Scriptures had been altered and early Christian writers had been misquoted to make it appear that Trinitarianism had been

the original faith.”

Sir Isaac Newton believed the Roman Catholic Church was misguided in its interpretation of Christianity, and had returned to idolatry. 

Newton felt that belief in the holy trinity was a flagrant violation of the First of the Ten Commandments.

Full article on Newton faith here https://wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com/2015/01/sir-isaac-newton-and-albert-einstein.html

Do BAD things happen in THREE'S?

Have you ever heard of that superstitious saying: BAD things happen in THREE'S?

Or Bad luck comes in threes?

There are many superstitious about the number THREE.

Some believe good things come in Three's.

On the other hand some believe If an unfortunate event has already occurred twice, a third unfortunate event is likely to occur.

Here are some idioms I read that happen in THREE'S

Americans have a propensity to see things in THREE'S.

Deaths come in THREE'S

THREE candles burning in a room is bad luck.

THREE knocks in the room of a dying person is a harbinger of death. 

Breakages and tipped over glasses of water come in THREE'S.

THREE butterflies on a leaf is considered bad luck.

It is BAD luck to hear an owl call three times.

THREE times a bridesmaid, never a bride.

Three strikes of a match is a well-researched superstition of threes.

There was Triple Earthquake Strikes within 48 hours in 6.1 Yunnan 

There was Triple Air Disaster in a week.

There was Brexit, then Corona virus, and now Russia against Nato.

And here in the UK, we just had THREE BAD STORMS in a week recorded for the first time in history.

It does seem to be: Tic tac toe, three in a row.

With all that in mind, It is certainly a coincidence how the Russian president Putin has started a war with Ukraine and now threatens NATO by pushing the deadly button.

Could that usher in world WAR THREE?

We do know if there were a world WAR THREE, it would not be like previous wars where there were no weapons of massive destruction.

Could it be a world WAR THREE that would eventually bring in the GREAT TRIBULATION as spoken in the Bible prophecies yet to come?

Well, you decide.

As I am not GOD I do not know, and I do not believe in superstitions, but what I do believe and know is that everything we see happening in this world was predicted and is fulfilling Bible prophecies:

Matthew 24:6 Berean Literal Bible

And you will begin to hear of wars and rumors of wars. Behold, do not be alarmed; for it is necessary to take place, but the end is not yet.

Jesus did say things would get worse, and worse, and there will never be peace in this world until He the Prince of Peace returns to bring peace and save His true followers.

GOD already knows man's heart's and that most would be unbelieving, unrepentant, and rebellious, which is why Jesus said we must change and become humble like a child.

And because most of the human race are not willing to believe, change and repent, that helps to explain why Jesus said when the end comes, it will be so bad that if He did not return, there would be no humans left, so could He be referring to what Nuclear weapons could do?

The sad truth is, because most of the human race do not believe in GOD, Jesus and the Bible, that means their God is the God of this world, who Jesus said was the Devil who hates all humans, and is out to destroy us and GODS creation, which is probably one of the main reasons there is so much suffering in this world, because by denying our creator and saviour, we have no covering from our creator, but when we follow The ONE TRUE GOD our dear Father through His true Christ, we are protected until it is our time to be taken out of this evil world, and in the end and be with the one we loved and trusted in.

As with the Christian doctrine that GOD is THREE called the TRINITY, the pattern of THREE'S continue, just as we see with the Triple Goddess.

And we have many ONE god's as three persons which is a TRINITY and is IDENTICAL to the Christian TRINITY!

We then have below the diagram and the confession of the TRINITY faith that has THREE SIDES, THREE PERONS, and THREE GODS, but are meant to be ONE GOD says Trinitarians:

We also have below the Eye of Providence which can be seen on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, seen here on the US $1 bill.  

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dollarnote_siegel_hq.jpg By de:Benutzer:Verwüstung (de:Bild:Dollarnote_siegel_hq.jpg) [Public domain or Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

Ask a Catholic Christian what this Eye of Providence is, as I did, and they will tell you it is the symbol of their TRINITY faith, and again it has THREE SIDES!

Then ask a none Catholic Christian what they believe this all seeing eye represents as I did!

Well, that's what I did with an old Trinitarian friend (Bob Mitchell) a Bible teacher, and he told me the all seeing eye is demonic, and I told him it apparently represent your Catholic  “Shield of the Trinity” diagram, and the Catholics admit on their website, the all seeing eye is the TRINITY.

Whether the idiom saying BAD things happen in THREE'S  is true or not.

I do know what is true regarding the THREE'S which is according to the Biblical facts that believing GOD is THREE PERSONS which is IDENTICAL to the TRINITY pagan gods is a tragedy and a very bad thing, because The ONE TRUE GOD says there is nothing like Him, and yet there are TRINITY pagan gods everywhere who are all false gods, which is not a common superstition says GOD in Deuteronomy 6:14

World English Bible

The Greatest Commandment

(Matthew 22:34-40; Mark 12:28-34)

1 Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the ordinances, which Yahweh your God commanded to teach you, that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it; 2 that you might fear Yahweh your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, you, and your son, and your son's son, all the days of your life; and that your days may be prolonged. 3 Hear therefore, Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with you, and that you may increase mightily, as Yahweh, the God of your fathers, has promised to you, in a land flowing with milk and honey.

4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one: 5 and you shall love Yahweh your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. 6 These words, which I command you this day, shall be on your heart; 7 and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8 You shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be for symbols between your eyes. 9 You shall write them on the door posts of your house, and on your gates.

10 It shall be, when Yahweh your God shall bring you into the land which he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you, great and goodly cities, which you didn't build, 11 and houses full of all good things, which you didn't fill, and cisterns dug out, which you didn't dig, vineyards and olive trees, which you didn't plant, and you shall eat and be full; 12 then beware lest you forget Yahweh, who brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 13 You shall fear Yahweh your God; and you shall serve him, and shall swear by his name. 14 You shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are around you; 15 for Yahweh your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; lest the anger of Yahweh your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.

If you believe the ONE TRUE GOD is the SON, or that GOD is THREE called the TRINITY, or that there is NO God, it is not to late to wake up to reality, and deny yourself, and take up your cross, for the time has come to put your faith in Jesus, and repent, and believe and come to the side of truth by believing in the ONE TRUE GOD and His ONE TRUE CHRIST, NOT the false Christ called (GOD the SON), but the SON of GOD and be SAVED.

For God So Loved

(Genesis 22:1-10; Romans 5:6-11)

16 For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.