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Sunday, 23 August 2026

Quick Facts: Luke 16:23 – Are the Dead Alive and Burning in Hell?

 

Quick Facts Luke 16:23 Bible study examining whether the dead are alive and burning in Hell, comparing Hades, Gehenna and the second death.

A detailed Bible research infographic examining Luke 16:23 and the traditional teaching of Hell. It compares the Greek words Hades and Gehenna, Matthew 10:28 and Revelation 20:14, and examines whether final punishment means eternal conscious torment or the second death.

QUICK FACTS: LUKE 16:23

DOES LUKE 16:23 REALLY TEACH THAT THE DEAD ARE ALIVE AND BURNING IN HELL?

Millions of Christians have been taught that when an unsaved person dies, the body dies but the soul remains consciously alive and immediately enters a place of fiery torment called Hell.

One of the principal passages used to support this belief is Jesus’ account of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16.

The King James Bible reads:

Luke 16:23 — KJV

“And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments…”

At first sight, that certainly appears to say that the rich man died and immediately found himself alive and suffering in Hell.

But there is an important problem:

THE GREEK TEXT DOES NOT SAY GEHENNA.

The Greek word in Luke 16:23 is:

ᾅδης — HADES

So before constructing a doctrine about eternal punishment from the English word “hell,” we need to distinguish the different biblical words that English translations have historically rendered by that one word.


LUKE 16:23 ACTUALLY SAYS “HADES”

The Greek text reads:

ἐν τῷ ᾅδῃ — en tō hadē

Meaning:

“IN HADES.”

The Berean Literal Bible therefore reads:

Luke 16:23 — BLB

“And in Hades, having lifted up his eyes, being in torment, he sees Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom.”

The BLB preserves the word:

HADES

rather than translating it simply as “hell.”

That distinction is extremely important.


HADES AND GEHENNA ARE NOT THE SAME GREEK WORD

This is where considerable confusion can arise.

The New Testament uses:

ᾅδης — HADES

and:

γέεννα — GEHENNA

They are different Greek words.

Yet older English translations such as the KJV can translate both using the same English word:

“HELL.”

When the distinction disappears in translation, readers can easily assume that every occurrence of “hell” describes exactly the same thing.

But the original Greek does not allow us to make that assumption.


WHAT CORRESPONDS TO HADES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

The Greek Hades commonly corresponds to the Hebrew:

שְׁאוֹל — SHEOL

Sheol refers to the realm or state of the dead and is frequently translated:

the grave

the pit

or:

Sheol

depending upon the translation and context.

This connection can be seen particularly clearly when the New Testament quotes the Old Testament.

For example, Psalm 16:10 uses Sheol, while its quotation in Acts 2:27 uses Hades.

That gives us a direct biblical relationship:

HEBREW: SHEOL

GREEK: HADES

Therefore, we should not automatically equate every reference to Hades with the final punishment associated with Gehenna or the lake of fire.


WHAT, THEN, IS GEHENNA?

Now compare Luke 16:23 with Jesus' words in Matthew 10:28.

Matthew 10:28 — Berean Literal Bible

“And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”

Here the Greek word is:

γέεννα — GEHENNA

Not Hades.

And notice something extremely important about Jesus' statement:

BOTH SOUL AND BODY CAN BE DESTROYED IN GEHENNA.

Jesus does not say here that God preserves the wicked eternally alive in Gehenna.

He uses the Greek verb ἀπόλλυμι — apollymi, translated in the BLB as:

“DESTROY.”

Whatever theological position we ultimately take concerning final punishment, that word must be allowed its proper place in the discussion.


JESUS SAID GOD CAN DESTROY BOTH

Look carefully at the contrast:

Man can:

kill the body

but:

God can:

DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN GEHENNA.

That statement presents a serious challenge to the claim that the human soul is inherently indestructible and therefore must remain consciously alive forever.

Jesus explicitly says God is able to:

DESTROY THE SOUL.

That deserves much more attention than it sometimes receives.


WHAT HAPPENS TO HADES ITSELF?

Revelation gives us another vital piece of evidence.

Revelation 20:14 — Berean Literal Bible

“And Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”

Notice the sequence:

DEATH

and:

HADES

are themselves eventually thrown into:

THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Therefore:

HADES CANNOT SIMPLY BE IDENTICAL TO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

If Hades is thrown into the lake of fire, the two cannot simply be treated as interchangeable terms.

And Revelation calls the lake of fire:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”


FIRST DEATH AND SECOND DEATH

This distinction helps us understand the biblical sequence.

There is:

THE PRESENT STATE OF DEATH

followed eventually by:

RESURRECTION AND JUDGMENT

and then the final judgment described as:

THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 20:11–15 places the lake of fire after the resurrection and Great White Throne judgment.

This means we should be extremely cautious about teaching that every unsaved person is already experiencing the final lake-of-fire judgment immediately upon death.

The final judgment depicted in Revelation 20 occurs at the appointed judgment.


WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THE DEAD?

Consider the language of Ecclesiastes:

Ecclesiastes 9:5

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing…”

And:

Ecclesiastes 9:10

“Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work, nor plan, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going.”

Psalm 146:4 likewise says of man:

“His spirit goes forth; he returns to his earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish.”

These passages should be considered alongside any interpretation claiming that the dead continue thinking, remembering and experiencing conscious life immediately after death.


THEN WHAT ABOUT THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS?

This is the crucial question.

If Luke 16:19–31 is treated as a literal description of the geography and conscious experiences of dead people, it naturally becomes a major proof text for conscious existence after death.

But there are strong reasons to examine whether Jesus is instead using a story with symbolic and parabolic features to make a theological and moral point.

Consider what appears in the account:

Abraham's bosom.

A conversation across a great chasm.

The rich man's tongue.

Lazarus' finger.

A request for water.

And finally the central message:

“THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS; LET THEM HEAR THEM.”

The climax is not a geographical explanation of the afterlife.

It concerns people who refuse to hear Moses and the Prophets.


JESUS TELLS US THE CENTRAL LESSON

The account concludes:

Luke 16:31 — Berean Literal Bible

“And he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one should rise out from the dead.’”

That final sentence points us directly toward the spiritual warning.

People who refuse God's testimony will not necessarily believe even when confronted with resurrection.

The passage should therefore not be isolated from its literary purpose and turned automatically into a detailed map of what happens immediately after death.


THE KJV WORD “HELL” CAN HIDE IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS

This is one of the real problems with using the English word “hell” without checking the underlying biblical language.

Depending upon the passage, the KJV can use “hell” where the underlying word is:

SHEOL

or:

HADES

or:

GEHENNA.

Those words are not simply identical.

So when somebody says:

“The Bible says people are in Hell.”

we should immediately ask:

WHICH WORD?

SHEOL?

HADES?

GEHENNA?

THE LAKE OF FIRE?

Only then can we properly examine what the passage actually teaches.


AN IMPORTANT CORRECTION

There is one point from the older article that should be tightened considerably.

It is too broad to say:

“Hades simply means the grave.”

Hades is closely associated with Sheol and the realm/state of the dead, and in some contexts “grave” communicates that idea. But its lexical range is broader than simply a physical burial grave.

Likewise, Gehenna originally derives from the Valley of Hinnom and became associated with divine judgment. The Greek word itself does not literally mean “Great White Throne Judgment Day.”

Those distinctions actually strengthen the research because we don't need to exaggerate what the Greek words mean.

The strongest argument comes from allowing Scripture to define its own sequence.


THE BIBLICAL SEQUENCE

The picture presented in Revelation 20 is:

THE DEAD ARE RAISED

JUDGMENT TAKES PLACE

DEATH AND HADES ARE DESTROYED

THE LAKE OF FIRE

“THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.”

Revelation 20:14

That makes an important distinction between Hades and the final judgment.


DOES MATTHEW 10:28 TEACH ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT?

Jesus' actual language should be taken seriously:

“DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN GEHENNA.”

He did not say in this verse:

“Preserve both soul and body alive forever in Gehenna.”

He said:

DESTROY.

And Revelation describes the ultimate punishment as:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”

This is why Christians who hold to conditional immortality or final destruction argue that the ultimate fate of the wicked is death and destruction rather than everlasting conscious life in torment.

Other Christians interpret the judgment texts differently, so Matthew 10:28 alone does not settle every aspect of that wider debate.

But it certainly deserves to be read exactly as Jesus gave it.


QUICK FACT CONCLUSION

Luke 16:23 in the Greek does not contain the word:

GEHENNA.

It contains:

HADES.

Matthew 10:28, however, actually uses:

GEHENNA

and Jesus says God can:

“DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY”

there.

Then Revelation 20:14 tells us:

DEATH AND HADES ARE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

and calls that final punishment:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”

So we should not collapse Hades, Gehenna, Sheol and the lake of fire into one English word and assume they all mean exactly the same thing.

And we certainly should not construct our doctrine merely from the KJV's use of the English word “hell.”

GO BACK TO THE HEBREW.

GO BACK TO THE GREEK.

COMPARE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.

Then ask the crucial question:

Does the Bible really teach that the wicked receive everlasting life in torment—or does final judgment ultimately result in the second death?

That is the question the biblical evidence must answer.


OLD RESEARCH ARTICLE

Luke 16:23 — The Rich Man and Lazarus, Hades, Gehenna and the Truth About Hell

Read the full research article

Research by Simon Brown
wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com

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Thursday, 23 July 2026

Mark 9:44 — What Did Jesus Mean by "Their Worm Does Not Die"?

Infographic examining Mark 9:44 and Jesus' statement, "Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched," comparing Isaiah 66:24, Gehenna, and the wider biblical testimony about the fate of the wicked.


Mark 9:44 — What Did Jesus Mean by "Their Worm Does Not Die"?

Quick Facts

One of the most frequently quoted passages used to support the doctrine of eternal conscious torment is Mark 9:44.

Jesus said:

"Where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

Many Christians believe this means:

  • the soul can never die,

  • the wicked will consciously burn forever,

  • and hellfire never comes to an end.

But is that what Jesus intended?

When we examine the Old Testament passage Jesus was quoting, the meaning becomes much clearer.

Jesus was quoting Isaiah 66:24, where the prophet describes the dead bodies of God's enemies, not immortal souls suffering endlessly.

Understanding Isaiah's prophecy helps us understand Jesus' warning about Gehenna, God's final judgment, and the destruction of the wicked.


Mark 9:44 — What Did Jesus Mean by "Their Worm Does Not Die"?

Part 3

What Did Jesus Mean?

Jesus warned His listeners:

Mark 9:43–48

"It is better for you to enter life crippled than, having two hands, to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire... where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched."

For many centuries this passage has been understood as describing never-ending torment.

However, before reaching that conclusion, we should ask an important question.

Where did Jesus get these words?

The answer is found in the book of Isaiah.


Jesus Was Quoting Isaiah

The expression:

"their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched"

is not original to Mark.

Jesus is quoting directly from:

Isaiah 66:24

"They shall go forth, and look upon the dead bodies of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched..."

Notice something often overlooked.

Isaiah does not describe living people suffering in torment.

He describes:

dead bodies.

The worms feed upon corpses.

The fire consumes corpses.

The passage presents a picture of complete judgment upon God's enemies.


What Is Gehenna?

Jesus repeatedly warned about Gehenna.

The Greek word appears twelve times in the New Testament.

Originally, Gehenna referred to the Valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem.

During Israel's history this valley became infamous because children were sacrificed there to pagan gods.

Later it became associated with uncleanness, refuse, and judgment.

By the time of Jesus it had become a powerful symbol of God's final judgment upon the wicked.

Strong's Concordance defines Gehenna as:

"Gehenna, a valley west and south of Jerusalem; also a symbolic name for the final place of punishment of the ungodly."


Can the Soul Be Destroyed?

Jesus Himself answered this question.

Matthew 10:28

"Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."

Notice carefully.

Jesus does not say God preserves the wicked forever in torment.

He says God is able to destroy both body and soul.

This agrees with:

"The wages of sin is death."
(Romans 6:23)

and

"The lake of fire... is the second death."
(Revelation 21:8)

Throughout Scripture, the final penalty is consistently described as death, destruction, and perishing, not eternal life in suffering.


An Unquenchable Fire

Jesus also spoke of:

"the fire that is not quenched."

An unquenchable fire does not mean a fire that burns forever.

It means a fire that cannot be extinguished until it has completely accomplished its purpose.

The Old Testament repeatedly uses this language.

When God warned Jerusalem of judgment, He spoke of an unquenchable fire (Jeremiah 17:27).

That fire eventually burned out after consuming what it was sent to destroy.

The emphasis is upon the certainty of judgment, not endless burning.


The Worm That Does Not Die

What about the worm?

Isaiah answers that question.

The worms are feeding upon:

the dead bodies of God's enemies.

The point is not that the worms are immortal.

Rather, nothing prevents them from completely consuming the corpses.

Likewise, the fire cannot be extinguished before the judgment is complete.

Together, the worms and the fire portray total destruction.


Isaiah's Context

The wider context confirms this interpretation.

Isaiah describes Yahweh coming in judgment.

Isaiah 66:15–16

"For behold, Yahweh will come with fire... by fire Yahweh will execute judgment... and the slain of Yahweh shall be many."

Then, after God's judgment has been completed, Isaiah concludes:

"They shall look upon the dead bodies..."

The prophecy begins with divine judgment.

It ends with the corpses of those judged.

Nothing in the chapter suggests immortal souls suffering forever.


Mark 9 and Isaiah 66 Agree

Jesus was not introducing a new doctrine.

He was using Isaiah's imagery to warn His hearers about the seriousness of rejecting God's Kingdom.

His warning concerns:

  • God's coming judgment,

  • Gehenna,

  • destruction,

  • and exclusion from eternal life.

The language is symbolic but the warning is real.


The Bible's Consistent Teaching

The Bible repeatedly describes the final fate of the wicked using words such as:

  • perish

  • destroy

  • consume

  • ashes

  • second death

For example:

Psalm 37:20

"The wicked shall perish... they shall vanish like smoke."

Malachi 4:1–3

"They shall be ashes under the soles of your feet."

Romans 6:23

"The wages of sin is death."

Revelation 21:8

"The lake of fire... is the second death."

These passages present a consistent picture of God's final judgment.


Conclusion

When Jesus warned about Gehenna, He quoted directly from Isaiah 66:24.

Isaiah was describing the dead bodies of God's enemies, not immortal souls enduring endless torment.

The worms and the fire symbolise God's complete and irreversible judgment.

Jesus' warning harmonises with the rest of Scripture, which repeatedly teaches that the final penalty for sin is death, destruction, and the second death.

The hope of the Gospel is therefore not escape from everlasting torment, but the gift of everlasting life, which God promises to all who believe in His Son.

As Jesus declared:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
(John 3:16)

The contrast is clear:

  • the righteous receive eternal life;

  • the wicked perish.


Mark 9:44 — What Did Jesus Mean by "Their Worm Does Not Die"?

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Part 4: Matthew 25:46 — What Did Jesus Mean by "Eternal Punishment"?


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