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Sunday, 23 August 2026

Quick Facts: Luke 16:23 – Are the Dead Alive and Burning in Hell?

 

Quick Facts Luke 16:23 Bible study examining whether the dead are alive and burning in Hell, comparing Hades, Gehenna and the second death.

A detailed Bible research infographic examining Luke 16:23 and the traditional teaching of Hell. It compares the Greek words Hades and Gehenna, Matthew 10:28 and Revelation 20:14, and examines whether final punishment means eternal conscious torment or the second death.

QUICK FACTS: LUKE 16:23

DOES LUKE 16:23 REALLY TEACH THAT THE DEAD ARE ALIVE AND BURNING IN HELL?

Millions of Christians have been taught that when an unsaved person dies, the body dies but the soul remains consciously alive and immediately enters a place of fiery torment called Hell.

One of the principal passages used to support this belief is Jesus’ account of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16.

The King James Bible reads:

Luke 16:23 — KJV

“And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments…”

At first sight, that certainly appears to say that the rich man died and immediately found himself alive and suffering in Hell.

But there is an important problem:

THE GREEK TEXT DOES NOT SAY GEHENNA.

The Greek word in Luke 16:23 is:

ᾅδης — HADES

So before constructing a doctrine about eternal punishment from the English word “hell,” we need to distinguish the different biblical words that English translations have historically rendered by that one word.


LUKE 16:23 ACTUALLY SAYS “HADES”

The Greek text reads:

ἐν τῷ ᾅδῃ — en tō hadē

Meaning:

“IN HADES.”

The Berean Literal Bible therefore reads:

Luke 16:23 — BLB

“And in Hades, having lifted up his eyes, being in torment, he sees Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom.”

The BLB preserves the word:

HADES

rather than translating it simply as “hell.”

That distinction is extremely important.


HADES AND GEHENNA ARE NOT THE SAME GREEK WORD

This is where considerable confusion can arise.

The New Testament uses:

ᾅδης — HADES

and:

γέεννα — GEHENNA

They are different Greek words.

Yet older English translations such as the KJV can translate both using the same English word:

“HELL.”

When the distinction disappears in translation, readers can easily assume that every occurrence of “hell” describes exactly the same thing.

But the original Greek does not allow us to make that assumption.


WHAT CORRESPONDS TO HADES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

The Greek Hades commonly corresponds to the Hebrew:

שְׁאוֹל — SHEOL

Sheol refers to the realm or state of the dead and is frequently translated:

the grave

the pit

or:

Sheol

depending upon the translation and context.

This connection can be seen particularly clearly when the New Testament quotes the Old Testament.

For example, Psalm 16:10 uses Sheol, while its quotation in Acts 2:27 uses Hades.

That gives us a direct biblical relationship:

HEBREW: SHEOL

GREEK: HADES

Therefore, we should not automatically equate every reference to Hades with the final punishment associated with Gehenna or the lake of fire.


WHAT, THEN, IS GEHENNA?

Now compare Luke 16:23 with Jesus' words in Matthew 10:28.

Matthew 10:28 — Berean Literal Bible

“And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”

Here the Greek word is:

γέεννα — GEHENNA

Not Hades.

And notice something extremely important about Jesus' statement:

BOTH SOUL AND BODY CAN BE DESTROYED IN GEHENNA.

Jesus does not say here that God preserves the wicked eternally alive in Gehenna.

He uses the Greek verb ἀπόλλυμι — apollymi, translated in the BLB as:

“DESTROY.”

Whatever theological position we ultimately take concerning final punishment, that word must be allowed its proper place in the discussion.


JESUS SAID GOD CAN DESTROY BOTH

Look carefully at the contrast:

Man can:

kill the body

but:

God can:

DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN GEHENNA.

That statement presents a serious challenge to the claim that the human soul is inherently indestructible and therefore must remain consciously alive forever.

Jesus explicitly says God is able to:

DESTROY THE SOUL.

That deserves much more attention than it sometimes receives.


WHAT HAPPENS TO HADES ITSELF?

Revelation gives us another vital piece of evidence.

Revelation 20:14 — Berean Literal Bible

“And Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”

Notice the sequence:

DEATH

and:

HADES

are themselves eventually thrown into:

THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Therefore:

HADES CANNOT SIMPLY BE IDENTICAL TO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

If Hades is thrown into the lake of fire, the two cannot simply be treated as interchangeable terms.

And Revelation calls the lake of fire:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”


FIRST DEATH AND SECOND DEATH

This distinction helps us understand the biblical sequence.

There is:

THE PRESENT STATE OF DEATH

followed eventually by:

RESURRECTION AND JUDGMENT

and then the final judgment described as:

THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 20:11–15 places the lake of fire after the resurrection and Great White Throne judgment.

This means we should be extremely cautious about teaching that every unsaved person is already experiencing the final lake-of-fire judgment immediately upon death.

The final judgment depicted in Revelation 20 occurs at the appointed judgment.


WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THE DEAD?

Consider the language of Ecclesiastes:

Ecclesiastes 9:5

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing…”

And:

Ecclesiastes 9:10

“Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work, nor plan, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going.”

Psalm 146:4 likewise says of man:

“His spirit goes forth; he returns to his earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish.”

These passages should be considered alongside any interpretation claiming that the dead continue thinking, remembering and experiencing conscious life immediately after death.


THEN WHAT ABOUT THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS?

This is the crucial question.

If Luke 16:19–31 is treated as a literal description of the geography and conscious experiences of dead people, it naturally becomes a major proof text for conscious existence after death.

But there are strong reasons to examine whether Jesus is instead using a story with symbolic and parabolic features to make a theological and moral point.

Consider what appears in the account:

Abraham's bosom.

A conversation across a great chasm.

The rich man's tongue.

Lazarus' finger.

A request for water.

And finally the central message:

“THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS; LET THEM HEAR THEM.”

The climax is not a geographical explanation of the afterlife.

It concerns people who refuse to hear Moses and the Prophets.


JESUS TELLS US THE CENTRAL LESSON

The account concludes:

Luke 16:31 — Berean Literal Bible

“And he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one should rise out from the dead.’”

That final sentence points us directly toward the spiritual warning.

People who refuse God's testimony will not necessarily believe even when confronted with resurrection.

The passage should therefore not be isolated from its literary purpose and turned automatically into a detailed map of what happens immediately after death.


THE KJV WORD “HELL” CAN HIDE IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS

This is one of the real problems with using the English word “hell” without checking the underlying biblical language.

Depending upon the passage, the KJV can use “hell” where the underlying word is:

SHEOL

or:

HADES

or:

GEHENNA.

Those words are not simply identical.

So when somebody says:

“The Bible says people are in Hell.”

we should immediately ask:

WHICH WORD?

SHEOL?

HADES?

GEHENNA?

THE LAKE OF FIRE?

Only then can we properly examine what the passage actually teaches.


AN IMPORTANT CORRECTION

There is one point from the older article that should be tightened considerably.

It is too broad to say:

“Hades simply means the grave.”

Hades is closely associated with Sheol and the realm/state of the dead, and in some contexts “grave” communicates that idea. But its lexical range is broader than simply a physical burial grave.

Likewise, Gehenna originally derives from the Valley of Hinnom and became associated with divine judgment. The Greek word itself does not literally mean “Great White Throne Judgment Day.”

Those distinctions actually strengthen the research because we don't need to exaggerate what the Greek words mean.

The strongest argument comes from allowing Scripture to define its own sequence.


THE BIBLICAL SEQUENCE

The picture presented in Revelation 20 is:

THE DEAD ARE RAISED

↓

JUDGMENT TAKES PLACE

↓

DEATH AND HADES ARE DESTROYED

↓

THE LAKE OF FIRE

↓

“THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.”

Revelation 20:14

That makes an important distinction between Hades and the final judgment.


DOES MATTHEW 10:28 TEACH ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT?

Jesus' actual language should be taken seriously:

“DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN GEHENNA.”

He did not say in this verse:

“Preserve both soul and body alive forever in Gehenna.”

He said:

DESTROY.

And Revelation describes the ultimate punishment as:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”

This is why Christians who hold to conditional immortality or final destruction argue that the ultimate fate of the wicked is death and destruction rather than everlasting conscious life in torment.

Other Christians interpret the judgment texts differently, so Matthew 10:28 alone does not settle every aspect of that wider debate.

But it certainly deserves to be read exactly as Jesus gave it.


QUICK FACT CONCLUSION

Luke 16:23 in the Greek does not contain the word:

GEHENNA.

It contains:

HADES.

Matthew 10:28, however, actually uses:

GEHENNA

and Jesus says God can:

“DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY”

there.

Then Revelation 20:14 tells us:

DEATH AND HADES ARE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

and calls that final punishment:

“THE SECOND DEATH.”

So we should not collapse Hades, Gehenna, Sheol and the lake of fire into one English word and assume they all mean exactly the same thing.

And we certainly should not construct our doctrine merely from the KJV's use of the English word “hell.”

GO BACK TO THE HEBREW.

GO BACK TO THE GREEK.

COMPARE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE.

Then ask the crucial question:

Does the Bible really teach that the wicked receive everlasting life in torment—or does final judgment ultimately result in the second death?

That is the question the biblical evidence must answer.


OLD RESEARCH ARTICLE

Luke 16:23 — The Rich Man and Lazarus, Hades, Gehenna and the Truth About Hell

Read the full research article

Research by Simon Brown
wwwrealdiscoveriesorg-simon.blogspot.com

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Saturday, 25 July 2026

The Rich Man and Lazarus — What Did Jesus Really Mean? Luke 16:19–31

Detailed infographic examining the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man in Luke 16:19–31, explaining its biblical context, key lessons, and why many Christians interpret this passage differently.

Figure 1. Infographic examining the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man in Luke 16:19–31, explaining its biblical context, meaning, and the lessons Jesus intended to teach.

If the account is interpreted consistently with passages such as Ecclesiastes 9:5, John 5:28–29, John 11:11–14, Acts 24:15, and Revelation 20:11–15—which describe the dead as awaiting a future resurrection and judgment—then many readers conclude that Jesus was using a parable rather than giving a literal description of the intermediate state. Other Christians disagree and understand it differently. The following interpretation reflects the symbolic reading.


The Rich Man and Lazarus — What Did Jesus Really Mean?

Luke 16:19–31

The account of the rich man and Lazarus has often been used to teach that the dead are conscious immediately after death and that the wicked are already suffering in torment. However, if that were Jesus' intention, it would need to be read alongside other passages that describe a future resurrection and judgment, so Christians have reached different conclusions.

When we examine the account in its context, it is reasonable to understand it as a parable—a vivid story using familiar imagery to teach spiritual truths rather than to explain the literal condition of the dead.

The context is the key

Luke 15 and 16 contain a series of parables:

  • The Lost Sheep

  • The Lost Coin

  • The Prodigal Son

  • The Unjust Steward

  • The Rich Man and Lazarus

Immediately before this account, Luke tells us:

"Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him." (Luke 16:14)

Jesus is therefore addressing religious leaders who loved wealth yet neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness.

What does the rich man represent?

The rich man pictures people who possess great spiritual privilege but fail to respond to God with compassion and obedience.

He had every opportunity to do good but ignored the suffering at his own gate.

His problem was not simply that he was rich—it was that he rejected God's ways while trusting in his own position.

What does Lazarus represent?

Lazarus represents the humble, faithful, and despised whom God ultimately honours.

Although rejected by society, he is accepted by God.

The reversal illustrates a recurring biblical theme:

"God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

What is "Abraham's bosom"?

Rather than describing a geographical location after death, "Abraham's bosom" was a Jewish expression for being in a place of honour and acceptance with Abraham.

It symbolises belonging to God's faithful people and receiving His promised blessing.

What is Hades?

The Greek word Hades often refers to the realm of the dead or the grave.

In this parable, Jesus uses familiar imagery associated with Hades to portray the certainty of coming judgment and irreversible loss, not necessarily to describe its literal conditions.

Why can they speak to one another?

Parables frequently include impossible or symbolic details to make a point.

Trees talk (Judges 9).

Animals speak (Judges 9; Numbers 22).

Seeds, vineyards, and servants represent people and kingdoms.

Likewise, the conversation between Abraham and the rich man serves the message of the story rather than functioning as a literal report from the afterlife.

The great chasm

The great chasm symbolises the final separation between those accepted by God and those under judgment.

Once God's judgment is established, the opportunity to change one's destiny has passed.

The climax of the parable

The most important lesson comes in the final verses.

The rich man asks Abraham to send Lazarus back from the dead to warn his brothers.

Abraham replies:

"They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them."

When the rich man insists that a resurrection would convince them, Abraham answers:

"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead."

This is the central message of the parable.

Those who reject God's revealed Word will not necessarily believe even when confronted with miracles.

Ironically, Jesus Himself would later rise from the dead, yet many who rejected Him still refused to believe.

Does this teach immediate judgment?

Many Christians believe it does.

Others conclude that Jesus was using symbolic imagery to teach about the certainty of future judgment rather than its timing.

This second reading fits naturally with passages that describe:

  • a future resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous (John 5:28–29),

  • a future Day of Judgment (Acts 17:31),

  • and the final judgment before the second death (Revelation 20:11–15).

Conclusion

The Rich Man and Lazarus is not primarily about explaining the condition of the dead. Its purpose is to warn that wealth, privilege, and religious status cannot save anyone.

Jesus teaches that:

  • God sees beyond outward appearances.

  • Those who neglect God's commands will face judgment.

  • God's Word is sufficient to lead people to repentance.

  • Those who refuse God's revelation will remain unconvinced even by extraordinary miracles.

The force of the parable lies not in describing life after death, but in urging people to repent, show mercy, and believe what God has already revealed before the day of judgment arrives.

Thursday, 19 March 2015

THE 33 CHILEAN MINERS AND GOD.

Friends do you remember the amazing story of the 33 Chilean miners who were trapped deep in a dark hot pit which reminds me of Hades, the spiritual prison.
THE 33 CHILEAN MINERS
Image by http://www.womenandtechnology.com/2010/10/tech-gadgets-kept-chile-miners-connected.html

What a wonderful ending. After being trapped deep in a dark hot pit for 69 days and feared dead, every one of the Chilean miners survived. 

Just as Interesting is what was written on their shirts, 
 "Thank you Lord"  "To Him be the glory and honour," from Psalm 95:4, and on one sleeve was the name "Jesus."

The Chilean miners said they had faith in God, and all agreed this is what stopped them from giving up.

Mario Sepúlveda, one of the Chilean miners said: "God and the devil were fighting over me and God won. I always knew they would get me out. I always had faith in the professionals here in Chile and in the Great Creator."

After Carlos Mamani and Omar Reygadas surfaced from the pits of Hell, they knelt down on their hands and knees praying and giving thanks to God.

19-year-old Jimmy Sanchez said God was down there with them.

IS THIS A Message of Salvation?----------Every miner was saved.
Acts 2:21  And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

I hope you enjoy my video. SB.
Script on the video is by Teresa Neumann (October 15, 2010) 
Song By North Point Live. Film Made By Simon Brown OF WWW.REALDISCOVERIES.COM.





Let us put our trust in Jesus, by following Him and see His saving hand pull our souls out of danger to everlasting life. Amen.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9 King James Version

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Tuesday, 16 October 2012

Enter Through The Narrow Gate, Matthew 7:13

Enter Through The Narrow Gate, Matthew 7:13
What did Jesus mean by a narrow and wide gate?

We were all born as sinners who cheat steal or lie. Romans 3:23

We were all born lost like a baby lamb that has lost its mother.

We were all living in darkness, waiting to discover the light and find the truth. (John 8:12.)
We were all born spiritually blind and dead, not knowing the truth about God and believing in lies said about God who is Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:3-7)

However, God is the greatest warrior ever, if he starts something he continues without giving up, he will fight to save our souls, he has shown us that he still loves us and sent his Son into this world not to condemn us but to save us through him. (John 3:16)

God has been calling every living person to him but most have closed their eyes and ears and hearts to him but a few have opened their ears and heard Gods call. 

Now for those who have opened their hearts to God they now realize the time has come to seek God, learn who He is. The great I AM, (John 
8:24) the LORD God Almighty, Jesus Christ, (YESHUA) and believe his doctrines and teachings and strive to follow Jesus making every effort to do his will. (Luke13:24) The ones who do this are one in a million and are entering a place many cannot find. It is like finding hidden treasure in a field. (Mathew 
13:44 - 46)

You are just like the time when you were a sperm swimming up your Mothers fallopian tube. You were one, out of millions who swam the right way, the only way to gain life,

There were millions with you. There were many like you. You then swam as hard as you could with every fibre of your being, with all your strength to get to the egg which gave you life. 

You left millions behind. 
You were the only one who got to the egg.
You were the only one out of millions to receive life. That was a physical battle. Now it is a spiritual battle! 

Yes, a battle to save your soul from destruction and death. You can only make it to everlasting life, the next stage in this life, by being truly born again. (John 3:3)

It will still be hard, like running up a hill. But remember to listen to Jesus' words, when he said be strong like a soldier who goes to war, who trains before he goes into battle. By trusting in Jesus he will train and shape you. He will put on you his shining armour called the armour of God. (Ephesians 6:10 -18)

By hearing and believing in Jesus you are heading the right way, the only way as you were when you were swimming the right way and the only way to the egg to gain life. (JOHN 14:6)
By believing following and trusting in Jesus he will give you his Holy Spirit to push you up the hill where the path gets narrower and steeper and with Gods spirit behind you, you will most certainly make it to the end, through the narrow gate. (John 14:15 -18)

With the Holy Spirits help you will have the strength from the Father who loves you.

Sadly, you have left millions who were with you behind. Many of them would not listen Many of them would not believe. Many of them laughed at you and could not understand where you were going. (Matthew 13:10)

If we refuse to accept Jesus Christ we will believe all the lies said about God.
(1 John 5:19)
We will then live and do what we want to do. This is the easiest thing in the world, this is effortless, most of the population have chosen to take this path, as it  poses no difficulty; requiring no strain, it is painless, simple and uncomplicated and most will take the easiest way. Our own evil and deceitful hearts will deceive our own souls which in return will receive the wages for sin. "For the wages of sin is death; (Romans 6:23)

We are like a caterpillar waiting to be transformed into a beautiful butterfly, but for most we will be killed by the predator before being transformed. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
(John 10:10)

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